ext_49748 ([identity profile] seizansha.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] dgray_man2011-05-14 07:30 pm
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question about the spells

 really simple, just wondering if anyone can tell me what country/mysticism they (supposedly)come from. specifically the ones Cross does.

fanfic research. *^^*
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[identity profile] siberianchan.livejournal.com 2011-05-15 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
ASSUMED Hoshino DID some research about European myticism/magic/alchemy I recommend you to read the Corpus Hermeticum or the "De occulta philosopia" (both online available( - wich sum the whole deal up.)
For a less detailed research study some bits about said stuff (European medival magic). Summaries of this is to be found in any university libary.
Considering Hebraska's siglum I am tempted to hint you on John Dee, but then again... Japanese people and itty nitty details about European history not even many eurppeans are aware of...

Do some basic reearch on European magic in medival times and how it transferred to Marian's times (I recommend the "Book of Lambspring") and I think you'll be fine. (yes I study that stuff.)

[identity profile] siberianchan.livejournal.com 2011-05-15 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
By the way, I assuem Marian to be English... but Ideas crossed borders even more than today (thanks to the fact of nationalism still being a rather fresh idea in 19th century and all this... look up the concepts of magic and alchemy and how they were transfered to the English.)

(then again... Cross' phrases in that sense and context never came across me during my studies... probably Hoshino looked up a bit and then run away with the wikipedia knowledge she got. ^^°)

[identity profile] seizansha.livejournal.com 2011-05-15 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
thanks for the titles; specifics always help. Cross' phrases and the symbols look Indian/Vedic a bit. all i found that way was Tantric magic - which we gotta admit Cross would get into - but it doesn't work with my plotline.

[identity profile] kalium-kx.livejournal.com 2011-05-15 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I agree they seem sanskrit with all the om symbols there..

[identity profile] siberianchan.livejournal.com 2011-05-15 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Welcome... hm, the Vedic stuff is tricky indeed.
Medival magic had - among others - the principle that language and names and words are incredibly important (know one's name and have power over him. Also invocations and summons had to be performed in the right language and with the right references (analogy thinking and stuff)) One of the most effective languages was considered to be Hebrew since it was supposed to be close to the Henoch - while German, Italian, French, English, whatnotever were considered weak languages. Maybe Marian found a loophole... he's been quite the traveler. Maybe he found a way to combine medival magic, alchemy and Asian teachings...

(but really. Google "John Dee" and look at his seal. And then recall hebraska. And LAUGH)

[identity profile] seizansha.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
ironic icon, the first time i read it i immediately thought of Sanzo doing the sutra.
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