ext_301785 ([identity profile] alisamakora.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] dgray_man2008-07-26 06:56 pm
Entry tags:

i need to ask people this....

ok, golems. adorable, lil bat winged communication devices and mascots.  however, im getting absolutely no where in figureing out what the heck the dgm fandom thinks they're made of. in vol 1, hoshino sensei said that most "science" of the time was alchemy. golems are a product of alchemy, arnt they?  then WHY do people keep referring to them like they're small robots or computers? >.>; timcampy is obviously not a machine, a machine doesnt repair itself, and he has no gears inside as seen when hes crushed. the other golems might have gears, but i honestly doubt any of the robotics in this series are run completely on electricity. so i need to ask: are the golems and komarin proven to be run on electricity, or is it the power of chemicals and alchemy?

[identity profile] zackichan.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
alchemie and church... two things that doesn't belong together.
The golems you talk about that where made with alchemy where giants made of sand and stone, nothing that we could compare with the tiny bat-winged ping pong balls.

I guess Hoshino decided to let them look like bats to make it more... uhm.... scary? lol ok they AREN'T but the fit into the whole setting. Chess-pattern, black & white, butterflys, Skulls, Stars, poker-symbols.... their appearance is just perfect for the whole concept.

When Bak tried to send some of the black golems into the ark they where destroyed what looked pretty technical and stuff.

Timcanpy isn't a real golem, yes. He's not even created by Cross, even if this is what we should think in the beginning. (I don't want to spoil you if you haven't red the Manga to that point)

ALSO Timcanpy... is able to eat, to bite and....uhm as seen in episode 93 to cry (and to eat cigarettes...). He seems somewhat natural. I believe that he's alive and is holding a secret, not only the melody of the 14th song.

there is also an artwork out there where hoshino drew Timcanpy as a Giant Monster but Allen looked like in the beginning of the series so I don't think that tim will transmutate to something biiiig and ugly xD


sorry for any english mistakes

[identity profile] ex-duelist.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
Hoshino tells us that DGM is set in a 'fantastical' version of the 19th century, and at various times she's included anachronisms like international mobile phone service, Komui's giant drills and modern-style automatic weaponry, the holographic surveillance screens shown when Allen first comes to the Order, giant mecha like Komurin, and yes, the mechanical-looking golems. Timcampy is not a machine, but personally I think by the fact that we see the main characters doing things like pulling wires out of their golems to attach them to telephones, we can assume the other (black) golems are in fact robots. (I've always thought, personally, that perhaps Timcampy was the original golem and the Science Department/Komui/someone copied his design to make the black golems.) None of the robots we see in the series look very "alchemical" to me -- personally I think we're just supposed to take them at face value and not question their existence too much, because Hoshino seems to have tweaked her AU Earth just enough so that she can have a few sci-fi mechanical beings in her 19th century manga if she feels like it.
Edited 2008-07-27 06:31 (UTC)

[identity profile] blueshimmer.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
Alchemy isn't just about chemicals. It's often a term used to describe things that defy definition and description.