ext_94924 ([identity profile] cattheterrible.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] dgray_man2008-10-28 01:28 am

So no chapter again.

That bores me, so here's a RANDOM DISCUSSION QUESTION:

If everyone lets Bookmen in anywhere to write down anything, who gets to read their Record?



If it's just other Bookmen, why does anyone care? And if it's just important people, like the Pope (or the Millennium Earl), why do they let it continue? Fat cats are too self-interested to let someone else find out all their secrets unless they benefit from it somehow.
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[personal profile] sincere 2008-10-28 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
Detail, but from translating Gray Ark, I'm gathering that they don't keep physical records; all their information is passed on verbally, and Bookman's right eye might be recording everything he sees. (Related to the eyepatch maybe, lolol)

It's an interesting question as to why they'd let Bookman observe, but then again, he doesn't normally work with them. The answer might be simply that this time they needed his (their) help to flesh out their very few Exorcists, which coincided with Bookman's desire to observe the war from up close.

[identity profile] firehawk05.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Hrm. For a moment, after reading the Gray Ark translations (some can be found here at http://www.dgraydivinity.net/forum/bookmans-library/1095-d-gray-man-official-fanbook-character-profiles.html"), had the impression that Lavi caught the stray bullet in his right eye, hence the eye-patch. But then again, on re-reading the translations, I think I must have been hallucinating that detail.

There's a page in the manga (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/75/04/) where Bookman's (the senior Bookman) eye goes kind of funny, and he says that that moment was a valuable record in history. It could be that the Bookmen have a means of recording events apart from writing things down.

Not sure why Lavi hasn't shown evidence of a similar ability as of now.

...

As a side comment, the links now work, but not in the way I had imagined them to work.
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[personal profile] sincere 2008-10-28 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
No, Lavi in the 49th Name novel is asked about his eye by a little girl, and he says specifically that it is not an injury, which indicates that the bullet is coincidental but has nothing to do with it. He further muses that his eye is actually part of why he has the potential to succeed Bookman, but doesn't go into why.

That panel where Bookman's right eye looks strange is the same exact panel shown in Bookman's profile page. The caption of that panel specifically says that Bookmen do not keep written records, they pass information on verbally, and specifically says that Bookman's records are in his "eye(s)".

I do not have fancy links to back up my comments, because our scanslations of Gray Ark are still in progress. :( I do not have fancy links to back up Bookman, but this translation of The 49th Name has the comment about Lavi's eye.
Edited 2008-10-28 15:49 (UTC)

[identity profile] socialholic.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been wondering about this Lavi's right-eye-business.

If Bookman (panda~) really has a special eye, could it be that Lavi's right eye is the same kind, but he isn't permitted to use it yet. If that special-eye thingy really is connected to Bookmen, maybe Lavi isn't allowed to use his right eye YET, because he's a 'Bookman junior' and 'a Bookman in training'. Maybe the eyepatch is related to the Bookman-training and when Lavi truly becomes a Bookman he can then take off the eyepatch and use his eye.

Maybe maybe maybe. I was just wondering that, because the novel really says he doesn't have any kind of injury.

But what about the anime? In the anime, in the Noah's arc ark when Allen & Krory were fighting the Noah's and Lavi began to search the key, didn't his LEFT eye do something funny? o_O It was... glowing blue or something.

Okey, the topic is now going pretty off, but I just had to bring up these things that have been bothering me :'D. Sorry !
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[personal profile] sincere 2008-10-28 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, lol we fail at topic. But that's exactly what I was thinking -- that Lavi's eye is fine, he's just not allowed to use it yet because he's not the one who's supposed to be "recording" this stuff. Alternative theory: they physically transplant the recording eye into the new Bookman. Creepy (and physiologically difficult, since their bloodtypes are incompatible) but thematically appropriate, since DGM can get so gothic and morbid. In this scenario Lavi might be missing that eye, but it still wouldn't be due to an injury.

I don't remember the anime specifically, but I'm inclined to say that it might not be canon to the manga if so. I mean, the anime has definitely done things that aren't canon to the manga before, although it's usually pretty faithful in a manga story arc... so, hmm.
Edited 2008-10-28 18:36 (UTC)

[identity profile] socialholic.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
A chain-effect :'D one thing leads to other. Yeah, exactly like that, maybe he's also supposed to learn to record some other ways too than just.. recording with the eye.
Oh yeah, I thought about that too some time :o that would be gross, but I wouldn't deny that possibility yet. Yeah, exactly..

Well yeah :'D anime surely does some weird stuff that aren't so much related to the manga. But yeah, that remains a mystery then..

[identity profile] firehawk05.livejournal.com 2008-10-29 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed, DGM could very well go along with the eye transplant from one Bookman to another, in a sort of creepy gothic handover ceremony. Hope that particular operation doesn't come with the side effect of giving the new Bookman the panda eyes.

Still waiting for the scanlations of d.gray ark too. Heh.

[identity profile] look-only-at-me.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 09:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure it's written down somewhere, after all they are recording history for everyone. And Bookman (panda) has quite a lot of scrolls I see him consulting from time to time that look really old.

I think the Earl let's it continue the same way everyone else does. It's history. I'm sure they'd like to read how they kicked the exorcists asses from time to time. lol

[identity profile] emudii.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I would guess that the Bookmen are Vatican-approved and, therefore, in exchange for their "sponsorship," the church has the right to call on them in times of need. I would evidence this by their original appearance in the manga, when Komui called them, after the battle in Martel. Even though Bookman is an Exorcist, he is insistent that Bookmen only pass knowledge to other Bookmen. However, he makes an exception for Komui. (Considering how he decked the living spit out of Lavi for leaking information "carelessly"—to the exact people he would address anyway—I'm guessing that camaraderie has nothing to do with their cooperation.)

Also, on the topic of scrolls, has anyone else noticed that neither Bookman nor Lavi are really ever seen writing? Reading, yeah. Observing, yeah. And I'm sure that they do keep scrolls of things that are common knowledge. Quick reference for the common folk. It's not a lot. They always seem to travel so lightly, for men whose entire occupation is to "record." My guess is that things that are important, sealed, "secret" you can only receive from a Bookman in person because those records are memorized. Thus, the exaggerated emphasis on how Lavi, of the Bookman clan, has photographic memory.

[identity profile] terpzilla.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
WHAT?! No chaptyer AGAIN?!! D<

What great answers~

:/ I'm pretty sure the many questions we have about Bookmen would be answered if he access to the Bookman one-shot, though when they say it wasn't published do they mean it's not in a tankouban?

I rather like this idea of Lavi's covered eye being 'super-powered'; he may have to keep it covered since he would be taking in too much information at once and won't be able to concentrate on immediate happenings, like battling an Akuma. Maybe he'll get control of it when he's much older.

x3 I squeed in the novel when he mentioned his eyepatch, though he seemed to hint that it hinds somethign terrifying... But no need to go into theories about his Sharingan/Geass/Lazors/Sexy Void of Hawt.

I was wondering if Bookmen were even a clan until I was reminded about Bookman smacking down Lavi for leaking information. Though I have to wonder if Bookman himself is defecting somewhat from the clan what with getting this close to the Exorcists and their fight against the Earl.