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My brain = badly broken

So I just read chapter 185. And I have no idea what is going on. At all. I read the two posts concerning the chapter, and all the comments. And my brain is still broken.

So ok, I get that the Crow people are merged akuma-thingies (which makes my heart hurt for the souls involved, as well as the akuma that got sucked into/cannibalized by that Madaro dude). And obviously the Vatican has now gone batshit - anyone else find it deeply, deeply ironic that an institution which is supposed to be most concerned with saving everybody's immortal soul doesn't give a crap about the trapped souls in the akuma? (On that note - how exactly did people know that souls were trapped in the akuma before Allen came along?) o.O

But, was that Kanda in the ruins/flashback on page 8 or Marie?

Also people were talking about the significance of the tragedy being 9 years ago - could someone explain the timeline of events to me? Someone said Mana picked Allen up 8 years ago, and then Cross picked Allen up 4 years ago? Is that right? When did Kanda enter the Dark Order? Do we know?

Things which no one likely has any answers for but I would appreciate your thoughts:

Leverrier (or however you spell his name) is evil. Clearly. So why the hell is Link still following him?!?!

Could Crown Clown purge the akuma-ness of the Crow without killing the human in them? (Do it Allen!)

Is there anyone is the world who isn't out to get Allen?

Um, ok so the tally thus far is: Leverrier is evil, Rene is evil, the Vatican sanctions evil experiments on people, God only knows where Cross is, Kanda is somehow involved in evil experimentation that resulted in tragedy 9 years ago, Allen is screwed in so many ways, it sucks to be a soul in an akuma because no one cares (except for Allen, who is screwed), something weird is going on with Tyki Mick, there's another side of the war, Bookman knows something about the other side of the war and it freaks him out...

Do we know why Cross wants Allen to talk to the fourteenth (or did he say listen?)

I hope we get solid answers soon...and that they will not be as depressing as everything else thus far.

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THE VATICAN IS SCREWED.
:<
I am deeply displeased with this DGM Vatican. I mean, it's fictional and all, but I kind of want to slap that Pope anyway.

I'll help how I can, though I don't know all that much. :]
I'm pretty sure the image was of Kanda, since he had hair, and the proportions looked a little lengthy to be Marie.
The person talking was definitely Marie, though I'm sure you knew that already. ;D
I haven't got a clue as to the timeline of Kanda's arrival, sadly. I'd like to know myself.
The tragedy itself, though--Do you know what they're talking about? I think they're talking about when they were trying to create exorcists by forcing Innocence into them--since that would put Lenalee at the right age--but I'm not sure. Your thoughts?

And also, I think Cross is a spectator. Possibly an archangel. I'll bet he's just there to watch and f*ck with people's minds. :]

You, me, assassination mission -> we'll get the crazy pope and the oozing mass of evil pus masquerading as Leverrier. y/y

Ah, I hadn't thought that Bak could have been referring to the Innocence experimentation (god that is a sick, sick pun) I thought he was referring to another instance of experimenting with dark matter/energy/whatever. How does that tie in with Kanda then? I thought, when it said he was connected, that his tattoo-thing was involved...

Ooo, you don't think Cross is human? I like. (haha, Allen was right all along) Although it seems too much like he's got his own agenda to just be a spectator. He could be like Gandalf, there to play everybody like the little pawns they are and pull strings in the background. That said, I think he's too much of a magnificent bastard to be anything but human. :P

ASSASSINATION MISSION ARE GO. -srsnod-

I suppose that if it really was the Innocence Bak was talking about, maybe there was an accident with one of the experiments? I went back and reread the chapter really slowly, and I'm second-guessing that suspicion. It was just the first thing that popped into my head.
Now, I'm wondering what Tokusa meant by "biological generation". Breeding?
Because then Kanda could be a Crow/Human kid. :o
This chapter makes my brain go haywire. x;

Cross = magnificent bastard = yes. I kind of like the idea of him being an archangel, or a guardian angel for Allen, but he is such a total jerk.

A thought I just had. We've seen what seem to be representations of lesser demons--the Akuma--, major demons--the Noah--, the devil--Millennium Earl--, lesser angels--the exorcists--, and major angels--Hevlaska--, but what about G-d?

(pardon the removal of the o; it's a personal thing).

I'll grab my sniper rifle and camouflage, you bring the walkie-talkies and arsenic *nodnod*

I don't think it could be breeding because there hasn't been the time for it, right? I mean, these are the Crows that Link knows, and all of a sudden they're half-akuma. Maybe they...I don't know, took some of their blood or something and mixed it with the bits of egg and grew the result in a petri dish? lol, I have no idea how they accomplished it.
...could Kanda be related to a Noah? o.O There has to be some significance to the fact that he's from Japan (other than his name, are we ever told he's from Japan?), which is, incidentally, the Earl's stronghold (or was, until he got the new Ark). He has a missing person, and...actually I have no basis whatsoever for this theory. At all.

I actually really like the idea of Cross being an archangel. And, of course, at least some of his jerkiness is an act, he admits to Allen himself that he cares about him. You'd think though, that if he were Allen's personal guardian angel he would've stopped the 14th's imprinting...
At the same time, though, the thought that he's just one human running all over the world spinning wild Xanatos Gambits in a desperate attempt to stay one step ahead of everyone else and keep the collateral damage to a minimum is also compelling....

I don't think, somehow that Hevlaska is equivalent to a major angel because that would put her on the same level as the Noah, which somehow I don't think she is. The Generals maybe, could square off against the Noah...but while Allen's got this weird destiny thing the other generals seem fairly human (even if Cross is, according to Allen, a demon :P)
What if...what if the "G-d" of the Black Order isn't the real G-d? That's what the Earl and the Noah believe, isn't it? That the exorcists follow a false god. But they (the Earl and Noah) can't be following the true G-d either because they're evil. I mean, Innocence can purify souls and oppose dark matter (is that what the Noah equivalent is called, I can't remember) but at the same time the Innocence does some pretty damning stuff too, and the Black Order is hardly "good".

But sticky bombs are so much more effective! And sticky. ;D

Who says they weren't always half-akuma? Link never shows any surprise about the akuma part.
I don't think we're ever told Kanda's from Japan, actually. We know he's Japanese, but not that he grew up there. I definitely think that he's related to the other side somehow.
What if he was related to the Earl? oO

Cross is Cross. Utterly enigmatic. :|

I keep wanting to put everyone next to a figure from Christian mythology. I doubt it's possible, but it's a fun game to play.

One of the things that interests me about Hevlaska is that she isn't anything at all. She seems to be more pure innocence than everything--I'd love to know her backstory. I have to disagree with you, though, about her level--Hevlaska seems to me to be incredibly powerful. Just very reluctant to show it, for whatever reason.
UNRELATED THOUGHT: I'll bet my bed Allen is supposed to be the left hand of G-d. (obvious!conclusions are go?)

I think that if anyone's G-d is the real G-d, it'd be the exorcists. But I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't an as-yet-unseen entity--what if it was the Innocence itself, maybe?
The Black Order is better, though, and the relativity is important. Sure, they're nasty in a lot of ways, particularly the people from extensions of the England branch, but they're still protecting the innocents. (Would that be a pun or just a play on words?)

Sticky bombs work for me :D

I thought Link did show surprise at the half-akuma part, shock, actually: http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/185/17/

I've Kanda Yu is related to the Millennium Earl my brain will implode and explode. Simultaneously.

Hmm, it's just, Hevlaska was (or seemed) completely useless against the level 4. Completely. Useless. But I agree with you that she is very in sync with her innocence. Wasn't there mention at some point of Leverrier's family sacrificing daughters to become saints? Hevlaska was totally one of them, I'm sure.
Allen as the left hand of G-d is cool.

My crack theory from before was that neither side was actually following the true G-d, that Innocence was actually related to a different entity (an angel, meebe). Only because the DGM G-d seems to be kind of, unsympathetic? (When a chapter is called "To G-d whom I hate" and the protagonist is, at best agnostic, how else do you interpret it?) I just thought it would be kind of hilarious if this epic Crusade has been going on, claiming the lives of millions and resulting in the sacrifice of hundreds of innocents, only for both side to discover that the power backing them isn't actually G-d. But that's my sense of humour on crack so...

I wonder though, if the Black Order is really so much better than the other side. I mean, yes, they don't want the absolute extermination of all humanity, which seems to be the goal of the Noah (isn't it?) But when Cross told Allen that there was another side to the war I couldn't help but feel like, he was supposed to look at the war from a different perspective, against the Order, rather than with it, (because that's whose side he's been on)

...that said, I kind of sort of understand why Allen makes the higher ups nervous - he's really only on their side for convenience's sake, really (and because Cross sent him) Allen's goals, as Marie pointed out this chapter, are not the goals of the Order, he was first in the war for the akuma, then for the akuma and humans. He could totally up and leave and they would be screwed, not because he would attack them or anything but because they really need him.

lololololol call in Snake. He'll take care of it. -is thinking about SSBB right now-

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JUUUSSST KIDDING IGNORE ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUUTTT.

-brick'd-

I can't believe I missed that.
I vote that from now on everything I pull from the text be taken with a big cup of salt.

Moving on.

I agree with what you say about Leverrier's daughter. That would make so much sense! I really like Hevlaska, so I want her to be something uberepic.

The crack theory is interesting. I think I'll stick with ironic as an adjective, though. ;] The way you phrased that--'resulting in the sacrifice of hundreds of innocents' 'the power backing them isn't actually G-d'--made me think of the Spanish Inquisition.
And every other stupid thing the Catholic church has done. .___.;
It's funny how all the good people seem to be concentrated in the Asian and English branch. That makes me wonder if there's something sinister pulling the strings in the other branches, aside from simple corruption... Cross could have been talking about that. Two sections of the Black Order against each other and one unified Noah/Earl force? Maybe the Earl has connections in those other branches?
... Or they could just be corrupted.

On the other hand, my initial thought when Cross made that ocmment was that it had something to do with the souls. Maybe they're another participant? What if the souls had power beyond Akuma fuel?

Again, Cross seems a heck of a lot like a puppet master.
Allen being his chief masterpiece.
I mean, I love Allen to death, because he's awesome, but he's been such a puppet, first for Mana and then for Cross. It's just now that he's starting to act on his own--and even so, it seems to me like most of his actions are governed by what lessons Mana and Cross have left him with.

And that's another thing. I read manga quickly, so maybe this was explained and I missed it, but what was Mana? I know he was the 14th's brother, but was he human? Or was there something else there?

my brain exploded from this chapter

there are so many things I want to know. First off Kanda, he can't be half akuma right? Allen's arm activated when he touches Goushi but how come when Allen touched Kanda's arm in vol 2 the 8th night, nothing of the sort happened and his eye didn't respond either. It is because Kanda might have been an early experiment, like they did with the other children by forcing innocence in them? he might have some akuma powers or something plus Bak mentions 9 years ago which if Kanda is now 19 yrs old then he might be referring to him? I hate he Black Order, they are suppose to be purifying the Akuma instead like Allen has been doing. Hoshino is going way off with this. Akuma are originally machine, grief and soul...how? so confused

kanda joined the order when he was 9-ish? it's been a very long time since i nerded out on this kind of stuff. :">

it's okay. all of our brains are broken, too. \o/

the chapter basically SUPER HEAVILY IMPLIED that Kanda was somehow involved with the experimentation (last panel, anyone?) but unfortunately not much else is clear. We DO know that we're FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY going to get some Kanda backstory (!!!) and possibly that Kanda has a... somewhat softer side than one might have suspected (saving Marie's life, purportedly, and Marie's claim that Kanda and Allen are very similar--in the respect of being concerned for the souls of Akuma, or something like that. His dialogue is very deliberately ambiguous--for all we know, Kanda/Allen's similarity may be in others disliking the way they operate, with Allen being concerned for "evil" souls, and Kanda just DGAFing and threatening to kill friend or foe if they get in the way of the mission).

I think it is very possible that crown clown can purge the Akuma in Crow, which is WHY the crow dude reacted so badly when Allen get thrown into him. It obviously saw Allen's innocence as a threat, though whether or not it would also destroy the human-part of the Crow people is up in the air.

~~No, everyone and their dog hates the poor kid. ;_;~~

the DGM-Vatican is so full of shit, man. They touched lightly on human experimentation earlier during the arc with Lenalee's loss of her Innocence, but it looks like we're gonna get much deeper into it, which I'm anticipating very much. *___*

You know, I'd be thrilled and amazed if this somehow evolved into a three-sided conflict, with Akuma/Noah v. Vatican v. the parts of the Order that has a conscious and rebels. D8;; But that's another sticky topic--the judgment of souls, and morality taken to extremes (both by the Vatican and the Earl) and JHSDKALSDAS GOD I LOVE THIS SERIES SO MUCH it's such a delicious mindfuck.

I suspect the other side of the war is Earl, Exorcist and Half-Akuma-Half human. I think the powers they have are some what like hosting the Akuma's powers within their body to use it as an advantage towards defeating Earl, like they want to take him out so bad that they resorted to using the Akuma instead of purifying them to let the souls rest like they SHOULD. Allen's Innocence and cursed eye probably reacts towards it because the Akuma still resides within the human, though I find it very hard to believe Kanda is like the members of Crow but possibly early experiments alike have caused him to be immune to their blood virus.

Edited 2009-04-19 00:31 (UTC)

When Cross said "another side to the war" I thought he meant that there was another side to be sympathetic with, somehow. Because clearly the Black Order is going to hell. Allen, take the Ark and get out of there! They. Are Bad. People! Komui and Lenalee and the other good people can come too

Immune to the blood virus would be interesting.

Kanda's Japanese right? So how did he get from Japan, which is controlled by the Earl and akuma and has closed borders, to the Black Order? o.O

I took Cross as saying that they aren't the only side like Akuma/Earl/Noah v.s. Black Order/Exorcists, isn't that what Bookman and Lavi was leaning towards? I took it as that.

He is but it was always a mystery to why and how Kanda came to have these healing powers. I hope Kanda arc covers some of it atleast

I don' know how long Earl has been controlling Edo but maybe after Tiedoll already made him his apprentice.

I thought it had been implied that the Earl had been in Japan for 300 years. o.O or maybe it was that Japan's borders had been closed for 300 years...still I don't think he could have completely taken over Japan as it is in the span of less than a decade...

well thy say it was cut off to the rest of the world and that it made the perfect place for Earl to lay low http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/77/04/

the more I think about the more I want to know about how Tiedoll found Kanda and about his powers came to be. I am sort of worried to find out because that is terrible if Kanda does have an Akuma inside him sucking away his life

He can't have an akuma inside him! Allen would know! ...right?

Aah, I'm so confused

Did everyone forget about the skull people with Aum as well?

Obviously Kanda was meant to be one of the sacrifices, and if we look to the mark on his shoulder and remember "I cannot die until I find that person" then think about Marie saying Allen and Kanda were better and Cross telling Allen, "What would happen if you had to kill someone you love?"

Personally, I'm thrilled with the Kanda/Allen going on.

Certainly Kanda has some sort of curse or experimentation, though I'm leaning more toward a combo that, maybe with a curse, horribly backfired.

Either way, can't wait for more. It's about time.

Could you clarify, I'm afraid I didn't follow - Kanda was meant to be a sacrifice for what? And the skull people from he ark? What's Aum?

You think the person Cross told Allen he would have to kill is Kanda - or did I get that wrong?

Sorry for being incoherent on my end -- going on a week no sleep so my apologies.

I think Kanda could be meant to be a sacrifice for the Order tied in with the lotus. When he finds "that person" he'll die or rather can't die until then. Kanda's an invaluable fighter but also seems to be meant to be disposable.

Skull people from the Ark before killing did the Aum symbol, which is the symbol on Kanda's chest though elaborated. If you wikipedia Aum it's really interesting in terms of symbolism for Life.

And yeah, I think Cross was implying that Allen would have to kill Kanda since I think the initial/original translation is, "What if you have to kill that person you love?" The double of the death, killing, and that person seem like clues, and not careless ones in terms of vocabulary. Also, with how many times Kanda and Allen save each other and now being considered so similar, plus having every traditional yaoi stance there could be... yeah. I'm happy.

Wow, I had totally not realized that the Skulls used the same symbol as Kanda has o.O

Thank you for clearing that up!!

Haha, adorable icon.

You're welcome. Again, apologies if I sound incoherent.

No, you've been very helpful. I'd just forgotten the name of the Aum...and never realized that it was connected to the Skulls...:P

Actually, what Cross says is:

「１４番目」に為ったら　お前は大事な人間を殺さなきゃならなくなる　...って　言ったらどうする...？
"If I told you that when you turn into the 14th, you'll have to kill the people (or person) who are important to you... What would you do...?"

The word he uses for 'people/person' is 人間 "ningen", literally meaning 'human', which could be plural or singular. He doesn't say 'love' (he says 大事な人間 daiji na ningen i.e. important people/person), he doesn't say 'that person' or anything that could be interpreted as referring to a single specific one -- fandom has seemingly decided that Cross was talking about just one person, but when I originally read the line in Japanese, my impression was Cross meant Allen would end up killing everyone he cared about. Japanese is always ambiguous about singular versus plural, so it's not impossible that Cross meant the singular, but you can't take it as a given either. It's deliberately left unclear.

Ah, thank you for clearing that up for me. I hadn't actually gotten that from fandom but a written translation to accompany the raw.

Now, I'm definitely bummed out but ah well.

:)

But, was that Kanda in the ruins/flashback on page 8 or Marie?
That's what it seems^^

could someone explain the timeline of events to me?
I'll try:
-Between the age of Allen and 9 years ago, the 14th implanted his memories on Allen.
-9 Years ago a tragedy ocurs in the order.
-9 years ago the order was experimenting with exorcists relatives (told by Lenalee in the Suman arc)
-8 years ago Mana picked up Allen.
-4 years ago Cross picked up Allen. Mana died.

We dont really know too much about the experiments.
It seem Kanda entered the order around 9 years ago. I mean: maybe a little earlier than Lenalee. I'm not sure now if Hoshino-sensei told us exactly when. (I think not^^)

Leverrier (or however you spell his name) is evil.
Since Leverrier really dont know who killed Cross, i think both, Link and leverrier, arent as bad as they seem. (Of course, Link lately doesnt look a bad person^^)

Could Crown Clown purge the akuma-ness of the Crow without killing the human in them?
Clown Crown only kills what is evil. I think he could only destroy the half akuma on crows by hurting their arm. Not sure if in their body it could have effect.

God only knows where Cross is
I only hope he's still alive! XD

Allen is screwed in so many ways
And bleeding in almost all chapters! ;)

something weird is going on with Tyki Mick
I think is only his noah soul getting stronger inside him^^

Bookman knows something
Maybe too much, and they are in danger!!!!!

Do we know why Cross wants Allen to talk to the fourteenth
In order to Allen to understand 14th's side^^

I hope we get solid answers soon...
Be patient! We have a lot of dgm to see yet! XD

Love your entry!! XD

Thank you. I'm glad people have found my entry interesting.

Cross lives! He has to be alive. He's running around plotting and boozing and sleeping with beautiful women. trufax

Link gets more awesome (and sympathetic) with each chapter. But, asides from one or two moments where I almost start to think "ok, maybe you aren't the devil incarnate" Leverrier has done nothing but terrorize Lenalee, conduct horrific experiments on children and his subordinates, openly stated that he doesn't care what happens to the exorcists as long as they are useful tools, threaten Allen with torture (heresy, on no basis whatsoever) and been a self-righteous jackass. Yes, he didn't add "assassinating Cross" to this list, largely, I think, because he wasn't finished using Cross. Maybe I will be proven wrong and he secretly loves everybody and is going to save the day, open an orphanage and start feeding stray kittens, but until then, I trust the Noah more than I trust him. They, at least, don't eat their own kind.

...sorry about the rant o.O Leverrier freaks me own and I kind of hate him. A lot. And given how cool Link is turning out to be I really don't get why he's Leverrier's faithful lap dog. Maybe he will betray Leverrier :D, that would be awesome

XD

I didnt said Lever is a good guy, i just said he maybe wont be as evil as it seems at the end: just a little less evil...? o.o You are right, he's done to many horrible things... ¬_¬
But you know? Link follows him, that's a good point. <--That must mean something.......
Btw, it's great you think Cross is alive! XD It could be great if he comes to pick Allen up or they meet someway sine Allen situation is more and more complicated in the order...

I think that if Link betrays Leverrier, it will be a Big Deal because when Link believes he is about to be killed, it is Leverrier's name he says - if only "Inspector", but I doubt he meant anyone else.

LEVERRIER IS SO WEIRD LOL he's this awful man, but we even got a bit of flashback for him. I'm sure belonging to the family he does is what warped him - it's certainly implied. Not that I much empathize or sympathize with what he is at this point, cake baking aside, but he does have that whole sister thing / obviously abusive/harsh father to consider.

According the the Gray Ark Fanbook, Kanda was became Tiedoll's apprentice at age 10, until eventually being introduced to the Black Order.
If Kanda is still 18, then if he had anything to do with the tragedy 9 years ago, he would've been 9 (But the fanbook doesn't mention anything about him before he turned 10).

Maybe he was in the Black Order before becoming Theodore's apprentice o.O?

They didn't say when exactly he entered (early of 9 yrs old, or late, that kind of thing). So, I'm guessing that, it could be like, they brought him to Black Order and did weird experiments on him, and successfully made him into an exorcist by the age of 10, and hence, became Tiedoll's apprentice at 10.

Make sense? @_@

Oooooooohhh, is it bad when my brain didn not break? (It already broke due to other things, so...) I am not surprised that the Vatican ended up doing such stuff BECAUSE at some point or anotehr the Vatican ALWAYS ends up like that. Screwed. ~~That totally would not happen if their Pope was the cute Alessandro from Trinity Blood xDDD ....honestly, any young Pope would suffice.~~

But that's a good question, how many people DID know that the souls of those called ones were trapped in the Akuma? Maybe they knew it a millenium ago already? No-one knows what happened back then when the Earl was active, it was just mentioned that the Earl reappeared after a millenium...so he was wreacking havoc back then, too, right? maybe tehre was anotehr one with some abilities of seeing the souls of Akuma?

Oh, well, Kanda is there for probably longer than just 9 years, considering that Lenalee knoew him from smaller (and I think smaller refers to younger than her 7 and his 9? Might be wrong, though). So there is the high possibility that he was used for experiments just like Lenalee. And there is also the matter of his lotus. Kandaaaa~ You walking enigma...

Leverrier is evil. So only because we like Link more because of his character and attitude lately, it does not mean he has changed enough to desert from Leverrier's side. He will, maybe in the future but far too little time has passed for him to do so. Don't worry, Link, we have confidence that you'll do the right thing in the right moment *.*

The Akuma-Crows are really a problem. I don't think Allen can do anything for now because there is no soul he can free, there's only the Dark Matter of the Akuma and these will be destroyed by his Innnocence, not purified (or am I wrong?). He still has to work on exorcising Noah, after all.

~~Uhm, anyone who isn't after Allen? Well, no, either they're all out for his blood or we fangirls are out for his smexiness that is displayed A LOT lately *purr* xD~~

NOES! RENÉE, WHY DID YOU GET SO EVIL! I LIKED YOU BACK THEN IN THE LV4-ARC! D: Allen's screwed but so are most of the SJ-heroes, only that Allen is exceptionally screwed. Poor Allen... The bad thing is that these souls have enough consciousness to feel the pain and call out for help T_T It wouldn't be half as bad if they were in apathy or so. I worry about Tyki's hair, he should cut it...kidding. It looks bad. And what is this grinning head without eyes in the glass shards ._. This other side of the war.....HONESTLY, this manga gets even more complicated, EVEN MORE! There is Noah and Akuma, then the Exorcists, the Vatican and the humans....and now another front in this war...*head starts to hurt* owowowowwww...

I also wonder if the dream has a deeeeeeper meaning like everything in this manga. *sighs* It would be much easier if Cross reappeared.

~~Sorry, at last this ended up as pointless rambling...-.-"~~

Don't forget that apparently Komui, Bak, Renee, and (if I'm reading the chapter right) the other Branch Heads were apparently involved in this tragedy of 9 years ago too. :o That's what has me most curious, quite honestly. What exactly they were working on, whether they knew it was evil at the time, if they were doing it of their own free will... If Kanda was really involved in it all, I can't imagine Komui et al being willing to experiment on him, but D:

I don't think Komui would have been involved, since he only came joined up with the Order about six years ago -- but maybe it was his involvement that even allowed him to become a section head? DD:;;

I'm thinking that Komui wasn't involved in the tragedy directly since he was probably still trying to work his way into the Order, but he probably knew what happened. After all, he did his best to put a stop to the experiments as soon as he gained enough authority to do so.

Komui's past is a bit of a mystery in a sense that we're not sure how he got into the Order as quickly as he did. We know he's bright (boarder line insane, but smart none the less) and we know his motivation for getting in was to be with Lenalee, but I'm guessing there's more to him then we realize. Maybe this will give us some insight into his background as well as Kanda's.

Well, how long Komui has been involved with the Order depends on how you personally look at the sibs' backstory -- if we extrapolate from Linali's age in her fanbook timeline, he would have been about 22~23 when first being reunited with her at HQ, but the same timeline also claims he was made Supervisor immediately on entering the Order :/ which A) seems extremely implausible, and B) contradicts the earlier canon info from Hoshino about how he was Science Dept head prior to becoming Supervisor. Because of this contradiction, all we can really be certain about is that the sibs are 16/29 respectively and spent three years apart. Even if you go by extrapolating from the fanbook timeline, however, we don't know exactly what Komui was doing for those three years; a lot of people think he was working in the Science Department at the Asia Branch -- at any rate, it's not too hard to construct a plausible timeline that has Komui in the Order by or before age 20.

I'm beginning to suspect that Kanda isn't one of those Human/Akuma hybrids, but rather he might know someone who is/was?

Either way, I'm still betting that the Order probably messed with his childhood something fierce... We've waited a long time for Kanda's backstory and usually the longer the wait in terms of discovering people's pasts, the sadder the story is. And all I know for certain is we asked for it... now we're going to get it.

Agree with this so much *hearts* Bring out the angst, people!!

Probably the experiment does have something to do with Kanda. There's still one thing that puzzles me, does the lotus exist in the comic or just in the anime? (Sorry, I haven't been following the series closely ever since Hoshino got sick during the Noah's ark)
I seriously need to reread and finish watching the anime.

Maybe the DGM Vatican is half evil... Because how can they abandoned the human souls in the akuma? Isn't to save the souls is one of the reason the order exists (besides defeating the Earl and saving mankind)?
And I'm also beginning to fantasize that maybe the 'other side of the war' would completely turn all of what they know upside down. The DGM Vatican now just seemed to be too hypocritical. After all, there can't be any perfect belief, just like how the Vatican and the Earl's beliefs are both correct and warped.

Renee must have banged her head during the HQ invasion, she wasn't like that before. The one who said "The attack on HQ helped us realize that that was a mistake" was Renee, wasn't it?
Also, if Goushi went brutal against Allen when he was just touched by Innocence, there's no guarantee that the half akumas wouldn't lost control in other time. The order sure is taking a very risky move.

Ohhhh...I just re-read the 185 chapter, and other possibility is coming to mind.

They talk about a tragedy 9 years ago, and imply that Kanda was involved in it. Hmmm. And Marie implies that Kanda is not as bad as he lets on (similar to Allen)

Maybe Kanda was experimented upon 9 years ago, and it went wrong and Kanda was the one responsible of the tragedy 9 years ago....therefore they had to seal those powers inside him? And therefore Kanda became so aloof and rude, to put distance between him and other people after what happened, as in a guilty reaction?

*brain hurts* I hope the other chapter comes out real soon! XDDD

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