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Question of Sanity
I was wondering to myself, Who is the most sane?
Warnings: Spoilers for the most recent chapters. Kind of crack discussion. I use the word "Sanity" loosely.
Let's look at Lenalee first.
She doesn't care about the world as long as her loved ones survive. She even has a need that borders on strong dependency for them. Argue as much as you want but she has just as much, if not even bigger sibling complex for her Brother that causes her to even defy logic and be able to sense when he's napping when both are on the other side of the world from each other (he can kind of do it with her too). She basically shows nearly no or much of the kind emotion you would expect from someone in certain times. Like when something really weird comes up and everyone freaks out she's all "Oh average eh, la la" or even when she hears that everyone survived the level4 attack, she just smiled and clapped her hands like a giddy girlscout while Allen broke down in relieved sobs. She also tried to commit suicide when she was a kid.
She's basically had one of the more dysfunctional and horrible lives. But she has gotten more reasonable and is stable enough young woman, so she's not on top.
Now Lavi.
The guy is, confusing at times. Mostly to himself. He can have a very big denial complex when it comes to what he wants and yet runs around and acts to avoid them. Heck, it took him getting trapped inside Roads dreamworld, getting pummeled by -himself of all things-, mentally/emotionally tortured, and nearly killing Allen to get him to figure out/accept that sure how he acts at the Order is genuine and not fake! You think something like that would be more about whether he wants to be bookman for real or chose his friends once in for all, but no, It was about something he could have easily asked and decide for himself without all that life and death risk! Oh yeah despite how much he cares about his friends, he's still choosing, history lessons over the fate of humanity! I know he may possibly still not like humans in general but still unless it turns out he's not human or able to live peacefully with the noahs I think it's a little weird that Lavi (and Bookman) could leave the place when they could help. Will they be all "oh well there goes the human race lets go read a book and hope the world gets populated again somehow so we can get our jobs back?" Lavi's not even thinking about the human race, he's just feeling how upset he will be when he leaves his friends. But from his lack of backbone to Bookman he's not going to say no to him. I'm starting to think Lavi is the one who is most dependent on someone and not Lenalee. At least she can get a backbone to stand up to them when she feels differently (Lavi seems to only have a backbone with people he does not know well or dislike).
Lavi is the most human character I believe out of all of them. So, I guess I don't know where to put him other then I don't think he's the most insane you could get?
Now Allen.
Oh boy this kid is so insane, he probably knows just how much insanity he contains and that's how he can fool others into not thinking of him in that way (much). He has possibly the most unlucky life so far and he has major identity issues with trying to be like Mana (father complex much?), not be like Mana, and now having to deal with the 14th. This may not be a sanity issue for fans (since it's out of compassion) but most characters will think he's down right mad for loving the enemy. He does not have much value in his own life if it causes harm to others and will only get his fire back when it turns out doing so will help others. He also has a tendency to switch a 180 in terms of personality image when a simple nerve is touched and often he will do things like strip full grown men down to their underwear with cheating tactics in poker. I could go on and on.
Basically he's an odd ball. But he is so good at hiding it (at least his more disturbing parts) usually not many people would notice. I guess I would rank him number 1# as most insane in the group. But he's very strong and kind person, possibly the most. I actually find that his desire for fighting stemming from saving humanity out of love instead of just for the job or something else to be resfreshing and rather sane comparing to the others. I guess he's twofold. In the end possibly it's easy to at least overlook his insanity in favor of that. Usually. =/
Finally, Kanda.
Kanda is possibly the most sane from what we have seen so far. He is logical for the most part and though it may make him look cruel at times he knows the consenquences of his actions better then most would consider their own. He approprietly freaks out when weird stuff happens still even after everything he's seen. The only thing that speaks of insanity is his seemingly disregard for his own life and the fact that he can see imaginary flowers.
... Yes, I have ranked the one who can see imaginary flowers as the most sane. You know it's bad when that happens. >_>
I just typed this all for fun and didn't think too deeply on this much. So feel free to disagree and point out your'e own thoughts. You can even include other characters if you want.
Warnings: Spoilers for the most recent chapters. Kind of crack discussion. I use the word "Sanity" loosely.
Let's look at Lenalee first.
She doesn't care about the world as long as her loved ones survive. She even has a need that borders on strong dependency for them. Argue as much as you want but she has just as much, if not even bigger sibling complex for her Brother that causes her to even defy logic and be able to sense when he's napping when both are on the other side of the world from each other (he can kind of do it with her too). She basically shows nearly no or much of the kind emotion you would expect from someone in certain times. Like when something really weird comes up and everyone freaks out she's all "Oh average eh, la la" or even when she hears that everyone survived the level4 attack, she just smiled and clapped her hands like a giddy girlscout while Allen broke down in relieved sobs. She also tried to commit suicide when she was a kid.
She's basically had one of the more dysfunctional and horrible lives. But she has gotten more reasonable and is stable enough young woman, so she's not on top.
Now Lavi.
The guy is, confusing at times. Mostly to himself. He can have a very big denial complex when it comes to what he wants and yet runs around and acts to avoid them. Heck, it took him getting trapped inside Roads dreamworld, getting pummeled by -himself of all things-, mentally/emotionally tortured, and nearly killing Allen to get him to figure out/accept that sure how he acts at the Order is genuine and not fake! You think something like that would be more about whether he wants to be bookman for real or chose his friends once in for all, but no, It was about something he could have easily asked and decide for himself without all that life and death risk! Oh yeah despite how much he cares about his friends, he's still choosing, history lessons over the fate of humanity! I know he may possibly still not like humans in general but still unless it turns out he's not human or able to live peacefully with the noahs I think it's a little weird that Lavi (and Bookman) could leave the place when they could help. Will they be all "oh well there goes the human race lets go read a book and hope the world gets populated again somehow so we can get our jobs back?" Lavi's not even thinking about the human race, he's just feeling how upset he will be when he leaves his friends. But from his lack of backbone to Bookman he's not going to say no to him. I'm starting to think Lavi is the one who is most dependent on someone and not Lenalee. At least she can get a backbone to stand up to them when she feels differently (Lavi seems to only have a backbone with people he does not know well or dislike).
Lavi is the most human character I believe out of all of them. So, I guess I don't know where to put him other then I don't think he's the most insane you could get?
Now Allen.
Oh boy this kid is so insane, he probably knows just how much insanity he contains and that's how he can fool others into not thinking of him in that way (much). He has possibly the most unlucky life so far and he has major identity issues with trying to be like Mana (father complex much?), not be like Mana, and now having to deal with the 14th. This may not be a sanity issue for fans (since it's out of compassion) but most characters will think he's down right mad for loving the enemy. He does not have much value in his own life if it causes harm to others and will only get his fire back when it turns out doing so will help others. He also has a tendency to switch a 180 in terms of personality image when a simple nerve is touched and often he will do things like strip full grown men down to their underwear with cheating tactics in poker. I could go on and on.
Basically he's an odd ball. But he is so good at hiding it (at least his more disturbing parts) usually not many people would notice. I guess I would rank him number 1# as most insane in the group. But he's very strong and kind person, possibly the most. I actually find that his desire for fighting stemming from saving humanity out of love instead of just for the job or something else to be resfreshing and rather sane comparing to the others. I guess he's twofold. In the end possibly it's easy to at least overlook his insanity in favor of that. Usually. =/
Finally, Kanda.
Kanda is possibly the most sane from what we have seen so far. He is logical for the most part and though it may make him look cruel at times he knows the consenquences of his actions better then most would consider their own. He approprietly freaks out when weird stuff happens still even after everything he's seen. The only thing that speaks of insanity is his seemingly disregard for his own life and the fact that he can see imaginary flowers.
... Yes, I have ranked the one who can see imaginary flowers as the most sane. You know it's bad when that happens. >_>
I just typed this all for fun and didn't think too deeply on this much. So feel free to disagree and point out your'e own thoughts. You can even include other characters if you want.
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Regarding Lenalee's attitude towards Allen's 'death', she was very devastated. The fact that she was back to 'normal' in Anita's room was her own way of moving on since she was very aware that her being like that would only worry other people, especially since she knew that acting like that was very selfish since Lavi was hurt too.
I don't really say that she barely reacted when Kanda and Krory were left behind. She wanted to run back to where Krory was because she didn't want their group to be separated anymore, until Allen told her to trust them and not worry. It's not that Lenalee doesn't care, she trusts them to come back. And when they were in the dining place and found out the rest of the arc was gone, Lenalee was upset too, but couldn't show it because they were in front of the enemy.
About caring when there is a gap in the action...seriously in manga you only can focus on one scene at a time, how much can you squeeze in one panel, and make it understandable?
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I guess my point about the little girl was that I kind of assumed that Lenalee would just leave the girl at the clinic or something and come back to help Allen. Of course, she could have just been really upset about Suman at the time and not thinking clearly. And I agree that she was very upset when she thought Allen died, but normally, when you lose someone you love, you remain in a stupor for a more than just a few days, no matter how it will affect other people. So getting all pepped up and chatting with Anita about Cross and totally kicking akuma-ass are kind of confusing (to me, at least) from a psychological standpoint.
And when I said 'barely any emotion,' I think I meant 'lack of violent arguement and screaming on her part.' She just...doesn't seem as upset as I would expect someone LEAVING THEIR FRIENDS TO DIE would. And even when she finds out they're gone, again, she's sad, but not as totally crushed as you'd think she'd be. When a huge part of your 'world' disappears, you just can't hold it in, no matter what the situation. She should be all weak and limp and useless like she was she first found out about Suman.
I agree, if the only thing Lenalee did every situation was angst over losing Allen, it would make a pretty sucky manga. But her moving on so easily is purely unrealistic, even if it makes the story work better.
ANYWAY, the point (that I somehow completely managed to miss) was that Lenalee is obviously experiencing some kind of manic episodes that prevent her from acting as a mentally healthy person would in these crazy situations. She's happy and energetic in all the wrong places. Bipolar, maybe?
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She'll probably get better once she's able to straighten out her emotions, if ever.