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Allen's power and how he uses it (and not use it)

I have too much time on my hands and am thinking about the D.Gray plot matters once again.

Not sure if this has been brought up previously. If it has, please pardon me.

We know that Allen inherited the 14th Noah's power to manipulate the white Ark using the piano. It puzzles me slightly as to how he actually use his power, or rather, choose not to use his power.

Question: Malcolm C Lvellie states very clearly that he intends to use the white Ark as a weapon against the Earl. While his motives and intentions are logical, I wonder on the other hand, if Allen's is too?

Let's gather some more facts together: Allen is the "sousha" (Player, Performer, Musician, whatever is to your liking). He commands the white Ark. From Cross, he finds out that one day, the 14th inside him will wake up and make him kill someone he holds dear. Lvellie is breathing down his neck, watching his every single move via Link.

I wonder if it is necessary for Allen to listen to Lvellie's orders. He is not a threat to Allen at all. Allen can very well rebel against the entire Black Order any moment he wishes. Sure, Link is watching him 24/7, but if Allen really wants to, he can open up a gate and slip away into the Ark when Link is distracted.

Most likely, Allen does not want to leave the Black Order, his friends, his "family". However, I believe that if he decides to leave, many in the Order will actually follow him. Bookman and Lavi will follow because they need to for recording. Heck if I was Bookman, Allen's happenings seems more important than the Order's. Lenalee and Krory will also follow suit. Not entirely sure about Miranda and Kanda. In any case, Allen will not be alone.

The reason why I think it is logical for Allen to leave is the fact that he may end up killing someone he cares for. Well, he believes he can stop the 14th, that may be why he is staying at the Order. Though, if his friends follow him, it will defeat the purpose of him leaving.

Other reason for Allen's loyalty is perhaps he wants to defeat the Noah clan and the Earl with the Order. That would make more sense.

If Allen really leaves, what can the Central do? Most of all they can dispatch Karasu. But if Allen stays inside his Ark, what can they do? Nothing, really. If they are able to enter it, they would have done so already. Not like he will, but if Allen really wants to, he can easily kill all Karasu members using the Ark's teleportation technology.

It is a matter of "whether Allen wants to" and not "whether Allen can".

Why hasn't Allen turned against the Order yet? Because he hasn't thought about it? Because he doesn't want to?

Gomen...another very long post. You're more patient than I to read until here.

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There is one thing that I disagree with you about. Lenalee won't leave. She'll stay with Komui so unless he's already dead or leaves with her, Lenalee won't leave with Allen.
Also, Bookman and Lavi might spilt, one would go with Allen and one would stay with the church. Unless of course the church decided it was time to kill them for knowing to much.

I don't think Allen really has a reason to leave the Order. Other than maybe the whole 'you will end up killing someone precious'--which Allen seems to believe he can prevent that from happening--I don't see why Allen would want to leave.
And everyone can enter and leave the ark as they please as long as Allen has already opened up a pathway. That's how they've been traveling through the different branches lately (although I don't know if Allen can destroy those pathways, or at least close them).

I think it mostly comes down to Allen doesn't want to, and has no reason. The Order has yet to be seen doing anything that should warrant Allen's hatred, or what have you.
It's only logical they'd have to kill him if the 14th appeared and turned against them, Allen understands that, I believe.

[i'm mostly basing this off of the anime because it's freshest in my mind, so correct me if i'm wrong] but didn't the gate to Edo get closed when Allen moved the Ark back to the order? I know the gate there was stuck and couldn't be moved because of the 14th's doings, but Allen moved the ark so I'd hope he'd close that gate.

I think also the ark that Lulubell brought got closed, during that whole Level 4 thing.

Hmm... I don't *really* understand how the gate works. I just know people can walk between them as long as Allen has already opened it from both sides.
I don't remember it saying anything about closing the gates.
Although, thinking on it now, in this recent chapter, Allen DID try to escape with everyone through the ark. Obviously, if he planned to get away from the Akuma that way, then yeah, he must be able to at least lock the gateways, if not destroy them.

Bah. Once Viz catches up with the manga I'll be able to refresh memory of all these things. D:

After listening to your comments, I realised that it may be better for Allen to stay inside the Order afterall. If he does turn into the 14th and gets out of control, there are people to stop him. If he runs off, there may not be a chance for his friends.

There is so much question about the Ark. I agree that to what extend can Allen control it is still unclear. Judging from how he can move the Ark, open gates, guess we can assume he can close and relocate them too.

I once thought more or less the same: No exorcist owns the Order anything. If they were pissed off, if they wanted to leave, they could do so without needing to tolerate the nagging. An excellent example of it is Cross.
They are more powerful than anyone else and Crow members, well, they can lock down their powers with their seals and all but they can not force them to fight. They can surely threat them with death penalty and all, but, would they really execute them? No, because innocence holders are rare and they need as much army as anyone else to defeat the count, so unless they find a way of making exorcists out of anything, they are helpless.

Well, that would work in Kanda's or Cross's case since they don't care and don't have "beloved ones" ~~(without tying them up in a love relationship, I think Kanda might think it twice if they threat Lenalee, Marie, Tiedoll and/or Komui, because, despite of all the hate, it seems he respects them)~~; now, coming to loved ones and the others... If they plan things in the way you said (Allen opens a door to the ark and they dwell there, untouched, loved ones and all included) then the Order is screwed up. Perhaps that's what Leverrier is doing, monitoring Allen to prevent that exorcists become angry syndicalists XD (Where's that icon when I need it?).

Now, why Allen isn't leaving? Perhaps he is afraid of what he can do alone, if that shadow he always sees in reflections finally overcomes him. Perhaps he just doesn't want to leave so to protect the ones he love (if I was Leverrier I would grab any of his friends, tie him or her to a fishing pole, dress up as Elmer Fudd and go out to hunt "Wabbits", or beansprouts). He might be a key in this whole thing and having him closer is the best.

Since Allen is very... Allen-ish, I don't think he has realized his power, or at least, hasn't thought of using it for his own sake (I bet he hasn't even thought he could make the Order spin around his pinkie with absurd demands, he is not only the Fourteen's walking memory but a General, come on, if Cross spends a budget on wine, he could spend 2 in food, right?) and being so self-less, well, that's why he is still in the Order under Link's maternal care XD, he is way too innocent to realize his own powers.

[ / end of her last will]

*hugs*

Is Allen actually a General? I always saw people referring to him as such but then I caught up on the manga and I never saw anyone actually give him the General's uniform or acknowledge him as such. As far as I can tell, he's just reached the critical point breaker and has over 100% with his innocence.

Leverrier said that because of his innocence's power, he was a general, but that they weren't going to give him an uniform to keep the façade since he is also the 14th and they didn't want unwanted attention to be dragged to the boy.

As soon as I find the chapter, I will point you towards it ;) *too many chapters, lots of small bubbles D:*

Did he say that? I guess I should stop reading chapters in the middle of the night as I obviously miss things. That or I just don't like to look at Leverrier so I usually quickly read what he says. oops. :x

I'd love to be pointed to the chapter so I can re-read it. lol.

So really, Allen is a General but he's not since he's not allowed to have the uniform, go on solo missions or really be acknowledged as such. He really gets the short end of the stick sometimes. :/

I don't think the Order has made Allen a general, even though he has the power of one. There isn't any mentioning about raising his rank in the manga. It doesn't really matter anyway since the Order is wary of him. I doubt they would give him much more power than he already possess.

Allen is a lot more powerful in the organisation than anyone thinks. Like you said, he can actually make the Order spin around his pinkie. But Allen, being Allen, won't do it would he?

I bet Cross wine allowance and Allen's food allowance are what push the Order's budget into the red XD

*very bad manners for butting in*

Hm, I am always pretty surprised to see how much power seems to be woven around Allen. I think fandom has gotten a bit out of hand with him. The manga of course gives good pointers about his importance, but things like considering him equal to a General and thus....I don't know. I doubt anyone can spin the Order around their pinkie. The picture is bigger than that.

*goes away*

Sure, Allen might be able to get away from the Order (although I think it's iffier than you make it out to be), but why would he want to? Joining the Order has been the whole purpose of his life for quite some time and, indeed, a large part of the purpose of the whole manga. Allen lives to save humans and Akuma, and even though some of the administration doesn't trust him anymore, the Black Order is still as devoted to that goal as he is. On top of that, he's made a lot of friends I'm sure he would want to protect, and far from all of them are capable of hiding out with him -- Rabi and Kanda and other Exorcists might be able to get away with fleeing the Order and not have to worry about retaliation, but what about people like Johnny or River or Komui? Allen cares about them too -- he wouldn't want to leave them in the lurch. Overall, I just don't think it would make any sense for him to run away, unless it became clear he was becoming a danger to the people around him.

Comparing to when he first joined the Order, Allen now has an option. Though half way through typing the entry, I realised too, it may not be one in his view. Allen is determined to protect everyone. Even if he leaves with a large group of friends, there will still be ones he cares about. Lvellie can be evil enough to take someone hostage if Allen dares to move a finger wrong.

I agree with everyone following him and yeah bookman, and lavi would stay with Allen for recording ((they may split, bookman staying at the order to record what's going on there and vise versa with Lavi)), But I think Allen would not let his friends go with them, due to the fact that he's going to kill someone dear to him, so he would try to make every stay back at the order. ((I doubt they would though, but sitll! XD))

Well, Allen as the 14th could very well kill himself and TADA, there's a theory that complies with the letter of the matter, ne?

*babbles*

Anyway, I have a very particular and nasty way of thought regarding the idea of some character rebelling and leaving to fight by themselves: if he/she is going to do it, they should do it well, alone, and to the death. Lets not drag others into it, because then things only get worse. If they're set on dying by doing that, by all means, go on. If in doubt the plan will be successful, stay with the others and think up a good and intelligent plan.

So...I rather see Allen stay put LOL

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