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Tyki is pleasure, Lullubel was said to be the lust of Noah.

And it's entirely possible that there'll be one.

Thanks for the correction

I don't know who the next Noah will be, but I'm looking forward to finding out! It'll be interesting.

But, about Lulu Bell. She isn't the Noah of Lust. That's apparently a mis-translation, actually. The better translation is 'Noah of Form', although the actual word itself is ambiguous and could be considered something like the 'colour of Noah', meaning form, more or less. There's a thread in the Mangahelpers forum which explains why the mistranslation came about.

you know, this makes way more sense. I was always wondering why there was lulubell [lust] and tyki [pleasure] when they are both pretty much the same, i mean, was noah really that good? [or something]

noah of form makes a lot more sense with her being able to change parts of her body to liquid and such like she did when they were trying to destroy the egg.

we've seen how many noahs so far? 5 with skin and counting the twins as one, right? :)

XD Well, I'm sure Noah was a pretty cool guy! I bet he was that good. But yes, it makes a lot more sense for Lulu. We've seen her manipulating her form, but never seen her doing anything even slightly lusty. I couldn't find the right thread about it, but it seems that 'form' and 'lust' have the same kanji or something like that, thus the confusion.

Tyki, Road, Skinn, Jasdevi, Lulu...Yep! And probably Cyril too, though who knows what his memory is. I'm sort of hoping he'll be 'love' just because of how creepy-wrong that'd be.

Well, Noah seems to have been pretty awesome if there's 13 people [and the unofficial 14th] that all take after him. It really makes you wonder what other traits people have had/will have. I can't remember, but I don't think there was ever a time when all 13 Noah's were together, was there? They all seem to die off or be off hiding somewhere, which is strange.

It seems really odd to me that form and lust share the same word, pretty much, when in english they are nothing a like. :x

Is it Cyril? I saw it as Sherryl or something like that in the scanlation i read. I never quite understood who that person was, but it's Tyki's brother, right?

Hmm. I think they might all have been together during the family dinner where the Noahs are first introduced, actually. It's just that we weren't shown the others clearly. I think I remember seeing some people in the other seats, though details of them weren't visible.

Yep, it's strange getting used to new languages. Oh well, I bet English can be pretty confusing too. ^^;

I don't think we've been told the official spelling for Cyril/Sheryl yet. I'm going with 'Cyril' for now since it's an actual name and probably is what was intended, but it could be anything really because Hoshino does tend to go for wacky spellings. (General Tiedoll rather than Theodore, etc, even though it was probably meant to be the name Theodore. Etc.)

There isn't really any proof that Cyril and Tyki are brothers. At least, I don't think so. For all we know, Tyki was just pretending to be Cyril's brother. I'd think it's more likely that was just a convenient cover identity so that Tyki could move in high society easily. Though they do look a bit alike. Cyril looks as if he's always been rich, and Tyki seems more as if he was a grubby orphan all along, but who knows what we'll find out later in the manga.

As I recall there were vague shadowy figures at the first Noah dinner, and someone once brought up the topic of symbols on the backs of their chairs and if they somehow corresponded to each Noah's power. (My memory is awful though and I'm too tired to look right now, so don't hold me to that. lol)

I personally like going with Sheryl because I find it amusing and he just looks like a Sheryl to me. lol But seriously, it might turn out to be something totally crazy when the official romanization comes out. I tend to just go with my own preferences for spellings though--Linali, Yuu, Crowley, and Rhode in particular.

I suppose Tyki cold be acting as Sheryl's brother, I know it's common in Japanese to refer to people you're not related to with common family names, like "nii-san," but Tyki's character doesn't really seem to fit him calling Sheryl that if they weren't actually related. He gives everyone nicknames, and Sheryl obviously irritates him, and I just don't know why he'd call him nii-san and not make up something retarded/vaguely insulting like he did for Skinn and Lavi and Jasdevi and Kanda. The fact Sheryl creeps him out with all his lovey-doveyness just makes me think they're related even more. ~~(Though I still like slashing them. >.>)~~ There's just something about the way he is with Sheryl that's different than everyone else.

And to actually respond to the OP's question! lol I keep thinking of seven deadly sins, but only because of lust and wrath, and if Lulu's not actually lust (which is good to know! Lust and pleasure seemed a bit much--but could probably make some hot fic fodder >.>), then it could really be anything. Maybe looking deeper in the story of Noah would help? I'm not well versed on that stuff. ^^>

And that's my rambly two cents. :Db

I love the Cyril-Tyki interaction! But then, I just love Cyril. And Tyki. ~~And most of the DGM cast.~~

Somewhere I think I read a suggestion that Tyki was saying "brother Cyril" (or Nii-san, etc) in a pointed sort of manner, as if emphasising that they weren't really related and it was an act.

I'm not entirely sure about that idea, but looking at the page, when they were saying the brother lines, there were other people around who might have had nothing to do with the Noahs/Earl/Akuma and so forth. So, if Tyki was using Cyril as part of a cover identity, he would have to be calling Cyril/Sherril/Sherryl his brother then, and vice versa. They might really turn out to be brothers, but I don't think there's any solid proof that they are, not yet.

I don't think the story of Noah's going to help with working out the other memories. I think Hoshino's just going to go for the options that are the most convenient for her. But we'll see! There are some emotions which are almost certainly going to show up. I'd bet that someone's going to be Love, though I can't guess who yet. (Maybe the 14th, though I think he might be more appropriate as Hope. He is the last one...)

Rambly two cents are fun. ♥

They are! You know what makes me sad? That there are no Cyril/Sheryl icons out there in the world. At least not that I've seen or remember seeing, and if I'd seen any then apparently I didn't like them. I'm such an icon whore and want Sheryl ones, dammit! I'm artistically and technologically incapable of making my own. >c

Everyone in the DGM cast is love in some form or fashion. I think the only person I didn't like for a very long time was Kanda (OMG BLASPHEMY D: ), but with the last chapter I finally decided he'd done good and I could allow myself to like him. />> Oh, and I hate Whats-His-Hitler-Face. No love there.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see, on many things. The 14th as Hope is a very good speculation. I like that idea.

There are icons of Cyril! At

cyanidebombers,

saave has some great ones in this post (http://community.livejournal.com/cyanidebombers/6140.html#cutid1). And as for me I've made one or two for roleplaying, but those were just crops of pictures. But I'm sure other people have made some too, since let's face it, Cyril is just that ~~creepy~~ cool; surely he has not been ignored. If he has been, I refuse to accept that version of reality.

I actually don't like Kanda all that much compared to most of the cast. But he's growing on me a lot over time (certainly much more than Lavi ever has), particularly after the Ark arc. He's not just the walking stereotype that I thought he was at the start of the series. He was suitably dashing during thet Tyki fight, and him staying to fight Skinn because Skinn was after ~~his Daddy~~ Tiedoll was great. And his Reverse novel story was good too. Oh, and the Tiedoll-student dynamics are just great. ....So I suppose after saying all that, it means what I said about not liking him was wrong and I do like him after all. XD Lvellie...isn't necessarily likable (yet), but I think he's playing a good role in moving the story along.

I like Hope, because it seems different from the other possibilities (maybe the 14th could see something in humanity that the other Noahs couldn't - they seem to have given up on people) and because in the story of Pandora, hope was the last thing to show up. But who knows! I'd rather he didn't end up with anything silly, though.

Kya, thank you! Obviously I completely overlooked that since I have icons by

saave saved. Too much medication makes one forgetful and unobservant. ,_,

Haha, the whole reason I decided to pick up this series was Lavi. XD I didn't know anything about him, I was just drawn to him, so I decided I'd check it out. And he's somehow remained my favorite character. I just seem to have a natural aversion to long-haired pretty boys in general, and Kanda's personality definitely didn't help, which is terribly... um... close-minded of me, I suppose. But I did come to tolerate him and stopped utterly despising him by the time he showed back up in Edo. By then I was more like, "Thank god, someone who can kick some ass." Oh, and I did love his Reverse novel story a lot. And Tiedoll-Papa. <3

I think the reason I'm not so keen on Lavi is because he has so much potential as a character, and yet he has hardly had any time spent on him and doesn't get much development. I adored him in the Reverse novel chapters he got, but he was the main character in those. So I think he doesn't work so well as a side character. Originally he was going to have his own series, after all, before Hoshino started DGM. If only she'd give him an interesting plot.

and stopped utterly despising him by the time he showed back up in Edo. By then I was more like, "Thank god, someone who can kick some ass."

XD I thought so too. Before then he seemed too dull, though in retrospect and in light of his behaviour in later chapters, I don't think he was quite as bad as I thought back then.

I agree about the whole "aversion to long-haired pretty boys" thing. Probably the only exception I'll ever make is Youko Kurama in YYH, and I still prefer Minamino Shuuichi's appearance.

Heh, sorry, I still dislike Kanda. I don't hate him, but he completely rubs me the wrong way.

I've honestly always been really confused by the idea that Sherrill and Tyki are actually related o_O Sure, Tyki calls Sherrill 'niisan', but entirely aside from any little quirks of the Japanese language, the Noahs are a clan. They think of each other as family due to their Noah genes/memories, even though none of them are really blood related in the human sense of the phrase. Wouldn't it make perfect sense for them to call each other "brother" and "sister" even though none of them are from the same human family/parents/etc?

That's all true, but Tyki and Sherrill really are related, in the human/legal sense of the word. I don't know about by blood (even though they do look very much alike), but he's actually referred to several times as "Lord Tyki Mikk". Not to mention Rhode's (foster)mother calling him her child's "uncle".

Well, Rhode's foster mother (as far as we know) isn't a Noah, so she might or might not know the whole story of the clan -- I somehow doubt most of the humans we saw in 158 are aware of the Earl and company's true identities -- so it would make perfect sense to introduce Tyki as Sherrill's actual human brother even if he wasn't, because otherwise how are they going to explain what this random guy is doing hanging around that Sherrill and Rhode are both so familiar with?

I'm not sure why Tyki being referred to as "Lord" Tyki Mikk tells us anything about Tyki and Sherrill's relation, though. I don't personally think Tyki is actually the Lord of anything -- my guess is that if the Earl often sends him around to high-society parties like in those couple chapters, he'd need to assume a title like that in order to fit in. But we've seen that his original human identity is about as far from being nobility as you can get. Tyki and Sherrill may be Noah brothers, but it seems very doubtful to me that they're real brothers in any other sense.

You may be right. Maybe later on in the manga we'll get to see if Noahs really do call each other that. But as far as I remember, that time with Cyril and Tyki was the only one where the Noahs have addressed each other as siblings, and that fact might imply an actual blood relation, if the other Noahs don't use terms like that. (I don't think Road and Cyril's father-daughter relationship counts, since she really was adopted.)

Though that said, personally I do doubt they are related in the normal non-Noah sense of the word. It seems to be that many of the Noahs haven't been awake as Noahs for a very long time (such as, say, 10 years), so if Tyki and Cyril are pretending to be or are somehow legally registered as brothers, I don't think it's a relationship that can have been around for long.

i'm waiting for something completely outlandish, like the noah of gluttony or something XD

i think compassion may be love for road fathers?

I'm a strong supporter of the idea that Allen/the Fourteenth will be "the will" of Noah. I mean, he's called the musician, but music isn't comparable to concepts like dreams, pleasure, or the bond. I figure Musician must be his nickname, since the medium -- or instrument, if you will -- of his powers is the piano.

Allen's will, however, is strong enough for him to push through any situation: even come back from the dead, with the help of the Innocence. The kid just never gives up... and since a Noah's defining characteristic usually translates into their powers, Allen MUST be the Will. It's the one thing about him that everyone notices and has to respect, friend or foe.

It's also free will that allowed the Fourteenth to reject the Earl in the first place. All the other Noah, even Rhode, talk about "destiny" and "fate of the Noah"... but the Fourteenth defied prophecy and went AWOL.

...but that's neither here nor there as far as the rest goes. :/

Not to mention Allen's Innocence has a will of its own, as demonstrated in the Level 4 arc.

If we look at what we know ALREADY, we have:
Dream, Pleasure, Bond, Wrath, Form. So we have a side effect of sleep, a physiological/psychological response, a relationship, an emotion, and a...er...form. There's really not much of a pattern or theme (unless I'm missing something, which I very well could be!) other than "memories of Noah" which we already knew. So theoretically a Noah could be any memory Noah could have had. Granted, it'll probably be something cool sounding since "Noah Of The Memory of Drinking Juice That One Time" just wouldn't jive.

ahahahahaha

OMG LOL!

LOL, well you never know (just kidding)

I still think there will a noah of greed or something dealing with time (future, present, bad)since she seems to be does a very wide array of memories, so the next noah will probably have a memory unrelated to the others (like you said i didn't really notice much of a patter or theme either)

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^^; Many apologies for the re-posting. I kept messing up the html in this comment.

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