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Dynamics, are dynamic
Got into one of those moods and wrote this (cause I love Hoshi's way of creating dynamics between characters) and decided to post here, cause it was just sitting there all lonely before. XP
Analysis of the dynamics between Allen, Kanda, Lenalee, and Lavi. (Note* 1. Am unable to put all my thoughts in for that would take up too much space. 2. Pairings are kept to a minimal/zero. 3. Pardon me if the Allen sections seem bigger, we kind of see the whole thing from his view after all).
Lenalee = Lavi
He thinks she's cute, heck he may even like her as a crush (then again this is Lavi, he's kind of... himself). But there is more to it then that. Lenalee was the first human he reacted to emotionally in the order amongst all the death he had passively only watched a few seconds ago. I actually don't think either became closer to the other until after the Level 3 fight. Before Lavi became irrated at how her distress caused him to remember his own and made her cry, but after almost losing her he became much more ready to reach out to her. Lenalee is one of the few who shock Lavi with their humanity. Her need/devotion for her friends does interest him and he protects her even in times when as a bookman he shouldn't. She's one of the few people who have been shown to affect him a lot on a emotional level (ecspecially if you take in the whole Road dream sequence where she is one of the three to stab him, making me believe she is among the ones he feels most for).
She isn't as focused on him as she is of others and he is probably the one person among her friends she knows the least about (problem wise anyway). But she cherish's him and does actually accept his comforts with gratitude and trust. She doesn't put it past him to make a sneaky move sometimes, so she's careful (as in she implied she would attack him, but she said with a smile). ^ ^ By now I say he is one of her more valuable and irreplaceable friends.
Err, I have no idea what to call them. Friends/comrades who have been with each other for some time. XP
Kanda = Allen
My view on Kanda's and Allen's relationship is that of one that reminds me of a dog and cat who on the surface seem to just can't be able to get over their predujice of one another. They bicker like hens and offer very different views on how one should see the world and do the job. Allen's a person who goes out of his way to meet the needs of others, while Kanda's a person who just wants to go out do his job and meditate in his room with mugen nearby. On the surface they couldn't be any more different with snapping and not agreeing on the others view point, but ultimately their both more similar than either would ever care to admit as both can be stubborn and hyporcritical in what they do and say.
Allen I feel clashes with Kanda not just because he's a jerk, but also because I think he might see a bit of himself or at least his old self in Kanda. When we see Allen and Mana's first real meeting you see that Allen has a little Kanda-ish spin with his attitude and doesn't seem to eager with people compared to how he is now. Allen (usually Mr. Non-confrontational) perhaps feels the need to clash with Kanda instead of dropping it because it's like arguing with his past self whom he seems to feel no love for and wants to prove something to.
Kanda I think clashes with Allen because Allen just has to bang against his little iron wall of stability and knock him off balance with his way of adding the human element to practically everything. This, I think aggravates Kanda to no end. I have no idea about his past, but I get the impression that whatever happened messed him up to the point of not wanting anything to do with human warmth. He's a soldier on a mission and doesn't want anything to distract him. In this way you could say he's a bit of a coward. He gets angry when people show care about him like with Tiedoll and certainly does try the extra push to get people to back away from him. It's almost as if he's scared/bothered by acknowledging attachment to people, though I believe there are those he cares for. Kanda just wants to see things the way he views them and count on others to let him while Allen doesn't show much consideration for this and pushes his buttons without even trying by just being himself around him.
But they don't hate eachother, if they did they'd do their best to ignore the other completely. It's kind of funny actually, ususally in stories like these they'd be rivals, but that's a word that doesn't really fit their bond at all. They don't use the other as motivation for getting physical stronger such as the cliche, they actually instead they focus in on eachother and argue the way two obnoxious brothers who won't back down just cause do.
Allen of course cares and trusts Kanda like he does his other friends, actually it's funny that Kanda is the one of the group that naturally brings out the more devilish Allen that may be more true to his own personality. Kanda actually does care about Allen as well, at the very least trust him. It's not just supporting him by saving his life even when he says he wouldn't earlier, noticing his despair over Lala and trying to cheer him up in his own way, but Kanda actually still accepts Allen for Allen even after he is revealed to be a noah. He treats him the same as he would before and still trusts Allen to watch his back in battle. Even when the 14th surfaced and Kanda took a shot to his head, instead of keep attacking him like orders had suggsted he should if this would happen, Kanda instead called out to Allen and apparently had faith in Allen enough to snap back to his self to finish off the level 4.
So there is bickering, loads of tension, and just plain genuine dislike. But there is also a level of trust/faith that exists between the two that kind of reminds me of one I would find between Brothers in Arms. All in all, I'm surpised when I encounter people who think neither care at all about the other.
Lavi = Kanda
These two are kind of funny actually. In fact I don't really even think about their relationship much, but it's amusing how much Lavi can get away with his antics. Kanda actually puts up with and shows some respect to Lavi in ways others don't. Kanda, as much as he insults him, treats Lavi as an equal. He trusts Lavi to watch his back in the heat of battle even telling him when he doesn't have to put himself in danger like that. Lavi actaully get's special treatment when Kanda get's drunk one time (in the novels) and doesn't mistreat Lavi no matter what he does to him (the same can't be said for Allen or Komui). Sure he does threaten him (infact he nearly did when they first met) on average, but Lavi's got pretty good survival instincs so he dodges when he's in bunny mode.
Lavi's relationship to him is a little more vauge for me, I used to think of them drinking buddies (I have no idea, it just seemed to work) but Kanda ruined that for me when he showed he couldn't hold his liquor to save face. Kanda is one of the few people that is most important to Lavi at the Order, When he was dreaming inside Road's world Kanda was among the three who stabbed him, making me believe Kanda is one of the few who can affect Lavi personaly. He likes to hang with him despite the danger Kanda throws at him and I think of them as comrades that can get along in a certain understanding of how the other works at the least.
Allen = Lenalee
These two are pretty relaxing for me. While there can be some tension in their relationship with Lenalee worrying about Allen so much about both outside and inside forces (being him), overall they get along really well.
Lenalee is the one who wants to reach out to Allen and assure him of her care the most out of all his friends. She wishes he could be more informal to her, but respects his choices in how he responds. They both are comfortable with eahc other and Lenalee actually opens up to Allen with her deepest emotions in ways she rarely does with any one else showing how much trust and acceptance she has for him in her life. She knows he has problems but sees him as a pillar of strength with the way he handles them in front of others and takes inspiration from him to be stronger herself.
Infact even when it was thought Allen was gone forever she decided to stay firm in conviction that he would return someday to their side. If you know Lenalee this was a huge leap for the girl at the time who had more faith in death then life from the horrors she's seen. This was a lot a faith and trust she put in him and he did repay it by proving it correct.
Allen sees Lenalee as an equal in both the battle field and daily life. He's very good at balancing her strength and her emotional sides by reacting to them naturally. He readily comforts her when she seeks him out but never thinks she is weak or in need of over-protection. She is comrade and a woman who is strong and there for him, but also needs to feel security as well. He understands just how she loves him and the rest of her friends/family and she is the first one at the Order to make him understand the consequences of his death on others instead of plunging into situations that almost get himself killed without thinking more straight first (well as much as he can). XD
Both can be very in-synch with each other. They can react in battle to each others movements without the need to speak of it out loud and still end complimenting the others moves quite nicely.
These two are really close, they may even have something more then friendship for each other, but whatever the case neither are interested in moving to the next level prefering to be friends for now. They also got some funky Innocence/dream connection, but we know nothing of what that means for now.
If I could call them anything, I'd probably say best friends. Out of all the people they know in the Order they probably are the closest to each other from a fans view (this is exluding Komui and Cross).
Kanda = Lenalee
They've known each other for a really long time. Longer than any of the OT4. Both actually get along rather well, and that might come from knowing each other for so long.
Kanda cares about her, he doesn't suddenly act any different around her then any one else he's close to. But he does reach out to her in his own way when she feels down. He shows understanding when she feels troubled about herself and bluntly admits to her of his confidence in her strength, something he would never have done like that for Allen or Lavi. He knows she can get scared and camly always shelters her in his private room when she comes to him. But as said before he acknowledges her strength as both a person and soldier.
Lenalee knows Kanda. She knows his faults but also knows he isn't as bad as most think and has about near absolute zero fear of him ever hurting her. Which has saved the lives of both Lavi and Allen when she had to intervene during their first meeting with Kanda. He is one of the few people she trusts enough to show her vulnerable side to and seeks his presence out when people such as Leveirre (who is pretty much the real devil as far as she's concerned)come to the Order. She also trusts his word/strength almost unconditionaly, when he said she's strong she takes comfort in that, when he says he'll stay alive and meet with them again she takes it with smile in belief.
Both grew up as soldiers, they know this life style and have a quiet understanding and acceptance for how the other ticks in ways very few can. I think it's cute how they both meditate together or implied how Kanda was the one who probably taught her considering the year he joined was the same as when she learned. Kanda was probably a brother to her in a time when Komui was unable to be. I'd probably call them childhood soldier companions.
Allen = Lavi
I kind of like the development these two have had, at least from Lavi's side more so. At first Allen didn't click with Lavi at all and Lavi thought Allen was just a brat. But Allen gave into acceptance as a friend after Lavi kind of taught him a valuable dose of reality and Lavi, well during the Krory Recruit Arc I remember him giving Allen this, really thought/amazed look. From then on I considered it the real start of their friendship where as before Lavi was only pretending.
Allen is one of the main reasons Lavi doubts his want to stay neutral throughout his time knowing him. Allen is also the first "death" in the story that Lavi could not shake off as meaningless. He's lost people who have made him feel differently before, Doug for example, but Allen was the first human to show so much, I guess, humanity to everything in a world that discourages things such as that and that affected someone like Lavi who once thought himself better and others not worth anything from him. I suppose you could even say Lavi looks up to Allen in a way for his strength, thinking him something dazzling he didn't want to go away. Allen naturaly brings out a genuine sincerity in the actor Lavi and it's when Lavi is most furious we've seen in him it's because of losing Allen to Tykki and a inability to forget that until it's confirmed Allen's alive. All in all, I think Allen was the one who helped made Lavi realise not only couldn't he ignore his own heart, but that having one wasn't so bad either.
Despite how annoyed Lavi can make him and how little he knows about him (from our view), Allen is more or less fond of him and accepts him as one of his closest friends. He's not always respectful to Lavi (not that Lavi seems to care that much) but he can interact with him in a playful manner and trusts in his ability in battle to support him enough. He's also gone to great lengths to protect Lavi and even show a absolute refusal at all to hurt him when both were forced to fight by Road.
It's kind of funny, but both seem to regard the other almost as a little brother. Lavi of course he's older and feels responsible almost for him, Allen because he sees Lavi as more childish and I wouldn't be surpised if at times he forget Lavi is the older one. XP
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Analysis of the dynamics between Allen, Kanda, Lenalee, and Lavi. (Note* 1. Am unable to put all my thoughts in for that would take up too much space. 2. Pairings are kept to a minimal/zero. 3. Pardon me if the Allen sections seem bigger, we kind of see the whole thing from his view after all).
Lenalee = Lavi
He thinks she's cute, heck he may even like her as a crush (then again this is Lavi, he's kind of... himself). But there is more to it then that. Lenalee was the first human he reacted to emotionally in the order amongst all the death he had passively only watched a few seconds ago. I actually don't think either became closer to the other until after the Level 3 fight. Before Lavi became irrated at how her distress caused him to remember his own and made her cry, but after almost losing her he became much more ready to reach out to her. Lenalee is one of the few who shock Lavi with their humanity. Her need/devotion for her friends does interest him and he protects her even in times when as a bookman he shouldn't. She's one of the few people who have been shown to affect him a lot on a emotional level (ecspecially if you take in the whole Road dream sequence where she is one of the three to stab him, making me believe she is among the ones he feels most for).
She isn't as focused on him as she is of others and he is probably the one person among her friends she knows the least about (problem wise anyway). But she cherish's him and does actually accept his comforts with gratitude and trust. She doesn't put it past him to make a sneaky move sometimes, so she's careful (as in she implied she would attack him, but she said with a smile). ^ ^ By now I say he is one of her more valuable and irreplaceable friends.
Err, I have no idea what to call them. Friends/comrades who have been with each other for some time. XP
Kanda = Allen
My view on Kanda's and Allen's relationship is that of one that reminds me of a dog and cat who on the surface seem to just can't be able to get over their predujice of one another. They bicker like hens and offer very different views on how one should see the world and do the job. Allen's a person who goes out of his way to meet the needs of others, while Kanda's a person who just wants to go out do his job and meditate in his room with mugen nearby. On the surface they couldn't be any more different with snapping and not agreeing on the others view point, but ultimately their both more similar than either would ever care to admit as both can be stubborn and hyporcritical in what they do and say.
Allen I feel clashes with Kanda not just because he's a jerk, but also because I think he might see a bit of himself or at least his old self in Kanda. When we see Allen and Mana's first real meeting you see that Allen has a little Kanda-ish spin with his attitude and doesn't seem to eager with people compared to how he is now. Allen (usually Mr. Non-confrontational) perhaps feels the need to clash with Kanda instead of dropping it because it's like arguing with his past self whom he seems to feel no love for and wants to prove something to.
Kanda I think clashes with Allen because Allen just has to bang against his little iron wall of stability and knock him off balance with his way of adding the human element to practically everything. This, I think aggravates Kanda to no end. I have no idea about his past, but I get the impression that whatever happened messed him up to the point of not wanting anything to do with human warmth. He's a soldier on a mission and doesn't want anything to distract him. In this way you could say he's a bit of a coward. He gets angry when people show care about him like with Tiedoll and certainly does try the extra push to get people to back away from him. It's almost as if he's scared/bothered by acknowledging attachment to people, though I believe there are those he cares for. Kanda just wants to see things the way he views them and count on others to let him while Allen doesn't show much consideration for this and pushes his buttons without even trying by just being himself around him.
But they don't hate eachother, if they did they'd do their best to ignore the other completely. It's kind of funny actually, ususally in stories like these they'd be rivals, but that's a word that doesn't really fit their bond at all. They don't use the other as motivation for getting physical stronger such as the cliche, they actually instead they focus in on eachother and argue the way two obnoxious brothers who won't back down just cause do.
Allen of course cares and trusts Kanda like he does his other friends, actually it's funny that Kanda is the one of the group that naturally brings out the more devilish Allen that may be more true to his own personality. Kanda actually does care about Allen as well, at the very least trust him. It's not just supporting him by saving his life even when he says he wouldn't earlier, noticing his despair over Lala and trying to cheer him up in his own way, but Kanda actually still accepts Allen for Allen even after he is revealed to be a noah. He treats him the same as he would before and still trusts Allen to watch his back in battle. Even when the 14th surfaced and Kanda took a shot to his head, instead of keep attacking him like orders had suggsted he should if this would happen, Kanda instead called out to Allen and apparently had faith in Allen enough to snap back to his self to finish off the level 4.
So there is bickering, loads of tension, and just plain genuine dislike. But there is also a level of trust/faith that exists between the two that kind of reminds me of one I would find between Brothers in Arms. All in all, I'm surpised when I encounter people who think neither care at all about the other.
Lavi = Kanda
These two are kind of funny actually. In fact I don't really even think about their relationship much, but it's amusing how much Lavi can get away with his antics. Kanda actually puts up with and shows some respect to Lavi in ways others don't. Kanda, as much as he insults him, treats Lavi as an equal. He trusts Lavi to watch his back in the heat of battle even telling him when he doesn't have to put himself in danger like that. Lavi actaully get's special treatment when Kanda get's drunk one time (in the novels) and doesn't mistreat Lavi no matter what he does to him (the same can't be said for Allen or Komui). Sure he does threaten him (infact he nearly did when they first met) on average, but Lavi's got pretty good survival instincs so he dodges when he's in bunny mode.
Lavi's relationship to him is a little more vauge for me, I used to think of them drinking buddies (I have no idea, it just seemed to work) but Kanda ruined that for me when he showed he couldn't hold his liquor to save face. Kanda is one of the few people that is most important to Lavi at the Order, When he was dreaming inside Road's world Kanda was among the three who stabbed him, making me believe Kanda is one of the few who can affect Lavi personaly. He likes to hang with him despite the danger Kanda throws at him and I think of them as comrades that can get along in a certain understanding of how the other works at the least.
Allen = Lenalee
These two are pretty relaxing for me. While there can be some tension in their relationship with Lenalee worrying about Allen so much about both outside and inside forces (being him), overall they get along really well.
Lenalee is the one who wants to reach out to Allen and assure him of her care the most out of all his friends. She wishes he could be more informal to her, but respects his choices in how he responds. They both are comfortable with eahc other and Lenalee actually opens up to Allen with her deepest emotions in ways she rarely does with any one else showing how much trust and acceptance she has for him in her life. She knows he has problems but sees him as a pillar of strength with the way he handles them in front of others and takes inspiration from him to be stronger herself.
Infact even when it was thought Allen was gone forever she decided to stay firm in conviction that he would return someday to their side. If you know Lenalee this was a huge leap for the girl at the time who had more faith in death then life from the horrors she's seen. This was a lot a faith and trust she put in him and he did repay it by proving it correct.
Allen sees Lenalee as an equal in both the battle field and daily life. He's very good at balancing her strength and her emotional sides by reacting to them naturally. He readily comforts her when she seeks him out but never thinks she is weak or in need of over-protection. She is comrade and a woman who is strong and there for him, but also needs to feel security as well. He understands just how she loves him and the rest of her friends/family and she is the first one at the Order to make him understand the consequences of his death on others instead of plunging into situations that almost get himself killed without thinking more straight first (well as much as he can). XD
Both can be very in-synch with each other. They can react in battle to each others movements without the need to speak of it out loud and still end complimenting the others moves quite nicely.
These two are really close, they may even have something more then friendship for each other, but whatever the case neither are interested in moving to the next level prefering to be friends for now. They also got some funky Innocence/dream connection, but we know nothing of what that means for now.
If I could call them anything, I'd probably say best friends. Out of all the people they know in the Order they probably are the closest to each other from a fans view (this is exluding Komui and Cross).
Kanda = Lenalee
They've known each other for a really long time. Longer than any of the OT4. Both actually get along rather well, and that might come from knowing each other for so long.
Kanda cares about her, he doesn't suddenly act any different around her then any one else he's close to. But he does reach out to her in his own way when she feels down. He shows understanding when she feels troubled about herself and bluntly admits to her of his confidence in her strength, something he would never have done like that for Allen or Lavi. He knows she can get scared and camly always shelters her in his private room when she comes to him. But as said before he acknowledges her strength as both a person and soldier.
Lenalee knows Kanda. She knows his faults but also knows he isn't as bad as most think and has about near absolute zero fear of him ever hurting her. Which has saved the lives of both Lavi and Allen when she had to intervene during their first meeting with Kanda. He is one of the few people she trusts enough to show her vulnerable side to and seeks his presence out when people such as Leveirre (who is pretty much the real devil as far as she's concerned)come to the Order. She also trusts his word/strength almost unconditionaly, when he said she's strong she takes comfort in that, when he says he'll stay alive and meet with them again she takes it with smile in belief.
Both grew up as soldiers, they know this life style and have a quiet understanding and acceptance for how the other ticks in ways very few can. I think it's cute how they both meditate together or implied how Kanda was the one who probably taught her considering the year he joined was the same as when she learned. Kanda was probably a brother to her in a time when Komui was unable to be. I'd probably call them childhood soldier companions.
Allen = Lavi
I kind of like the development these two have had, at least from Lavi's side more so. At first Allen didn't click with Lavi at all and Lavi thought Allen was just a brat. But Allen gave into acceptance as a friend after Lavi kind of taught him a valuable dose of reality and Lavi, well during the Krory Recruit Arc I remember him giving Allen this, really thought/amazed look. From then on I considered it the real start of their friendship where as before Lavi was only pretending.
Allen is one of the main reasons Lavi doubts his want to stay neutral throughout his time knowing him. Allen is also the first "death" in the story that Lavi could not shake off as meaningless. He's lost people who have made him feel differently before, Doug for example, but Allen was the first human to show so much, I guess, humanity to everything in a world that discourages things such as that and that affected someone like Lavi who once thought himself better and others not worth anything from him. I suppose you could even say Lavi looks up to Allen in a way for his strength, thinking him something dazzling he didn't want to go away. Allen naturaly brings out a genuine sincerity in the actor Lavi and it's when Lavi is most furious we've seen in him it's because of losing Allen to Tykki and a inability to forget that until it's confirmed Allen's alive. All in all, I think Allen was the one who helped made Lavi realise not only couldn't he ignore his own heart, but that having one wasn't so bad either.
Despite how annoyed Lavi can make him and how little he knows about him (from our view), Allen is more or less fond of him and accepts him as one of his closest friends. He's not always respectful to Lavi (not that Lavi seems to care that much) but he can interact with him in a playful manner and trusts in his ability in battle to support him enough. He's also gone to great lengths to protect Lavi and even show a absolute refusal at all to hurt him when both were forced to fight by Road.
It's kind of funny, but both seem to regard the other almost as a little brother. Lavi of course he's older and feels responsible almost for him, Allen because he sees Lavi as more childish and I wouldn't be surpised if at times he forget Lavi is the older one. XP
Phew done, ...
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But it made me realize how little we actually know about Kanda... Here's hoping we find out more about him soon. That and Lenalee's emotional interactions with the other characters aside from Komui and Allen are rather limited. I hope we see more development with her and her other friends because I'm interested in seeing more of her feelings for Lavi and Kanda.
I like to think of everyone as one big happy family as of now, and your insights agree with that ^^
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Either way, yes, she needs to have more one on one time with Kanda. I would personally like to see more interactions with Lavi as well. More Lavi and Kanda as well as Lavi and Lenalee. Because aside from his closeness with Allen, you have to wonder why Lenalee and Kanda are so important to him. Or else Road wouldn't use them to mess with him in his dream.
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enivra: Very sorry about that envira, I'm kind of new so I don't really know how to credit on livejournal. Do you just put it in the icon comments?
authoressarktos: Lol, with them I just have to go with what I've got so far. I'm hoping we can see more tidbits since knowing about them more does help with seeing how they react to others on both beneath and above the suface.
calasstriastar: Lenalee should probably get out more. XP Kanda I don't think we need to worry that much about since in the upcoming latest chapters it looks like we may be getting some more on him soon.
Zettafae: I only know too well what it's like to have your brain fried. X_X
Their relationship is pretty cute, it's ecspecially interesting from Lavi's view because he can't do much with his natural role and yet Allen has/does affect him a lot. I'll be interested to see how he reacts to the 14th thing compared to how Lenalee and Kanda conisidering he's been just a bookman more then exorcist lately so it seems. Like actually call out to him or just sit there quietly without a word and observe.
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It is really easy for us to see how Lavi feels about Allen, but from Allen's point-of-view it is harder. :/ I never thought much on how he thinks of Lavi because there isn't much from him. I feel that we get more reactions out of Allen from Lenalee and Kanda, although I did like it when Allen tried to free Lavi from Road. I feel like that is one of the only times Allen really showed that Lavi was his friend.
But now that I think about it, Allen seems rather casual around Lavi compared to Lenalee. Allen acts sort of casual with Kanda too, but only because he is yelling at him. ^^; But with Lavi it is based on friendship. Hm. Around Lenalee he seems more formal. I wonder if it has to do with the fact Lenalee is female?
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As for the informality with Lavi and Kanda verses Lenalee, I would think it's definitely because Lenalee's a girl. Allen tends to treat women in a more gentlemanly fashion then men. You see this in the way he interacts with Miranda as well. He has a hard time, I think, treating girls as one of the guys where as others, especially Kanda, see beyond her gender and focus more on her personality and ability as an exorcist. I don't think Allen means to be like that, but it's just how he was raised by Mana. That and I wouldn't be surprised if Cross's treatment of women had some influence over how polite he is around girls.
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Allen is such a gentelman, isn't he? :D
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Regarding the whole connecting because of masks between Lavi and Allen, I'm not sure I agree, at least from Allen's side. Allen knows really nothing about Lavi problem-wise. Lavi's also kind of over his masks thing if Roads dream says anything and now will probably focus more on where he wants to stand more in the long run perhaps. I think Allen just connected because Lavi's one of his very first friends who happens to be similiar in age and be around him a lot. I do remember during the time in the chinese branch when he was trying to get his innocence back he thought of his want to get back to his friends badly and a picture of both Lenalee and Lavi were shown during this. So that was another time it showed his regard as Lavi as a friend.
I actually kind of like how Allen is around women. XP Lot of times I see in manga's the male protaganist have no sense of/around women. Allen actually treats them as a gentlemen should be but doesn't treat them as things that should be protected all the time (well, if they can fight, Allen doesn't really care about gender when it comes to rescuing someone). Though I do agree he could stand to be less formal all around as he's not naturally like that.
calasstriastar: Well, Allen did say he learned how to be a gentleman from Cross. It was either be very formal or bed them. Maybe Allen's not confident about being inbetween with girls, lol. XD
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Though I see your point on the other issue of masks perhaps with trying to pretend still that's all it is to Bookman so his bookman duty either won't get taken away from him, or he's afraid Bookman would take him away from his friends by leaving the Order. Like it showed in chapter 157.
It's true that Lavi doesn't know as much about Allen's struggle inner demons because Allen does a really good job at not breaking in front of others most of the time and gives the impression of the ultimate pillar of strength to nearly everyone (with the exception of a few adults loike Cross).
The only time I can remember Allen somewhat breaking down in front of Lavi was when he was stopping Krory from commiting suicide by indirectly revealing his past of similar pains Krory was going through. Lavi was really the only one at the time who got it since as a bookman he already knew Allen's past with akuma Mana. Then there was the whole 14th reveal but during each time Allen walked off again and after that Lavi's never really seen Allen at his worse like Cross has. So as far as he's (and his other friends) are probably concerned Allen doesn't need a pillar of strength himself even though Allen looks to Cross and Mana (two figures who aren't/can't be there for him anymore, for now) for it and feels very discouraged when he is unable to.
Allen never has seen Lavi break down at all, so as far as he knows what you see is what you get from Lavi. He probably doesn't even how important he is to Lavi, since unlike Lenalee the times he does show it, Allen's not there. X/
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That is one of my favorite scenes in the manga when Allen told Krory why he should continue on living to be an Exorcist. Not only was Allen talking (although indirectly) about his past to other people, but that one panel of Lavi's reaction speaks many words. You can tell from that one panel how shocked Lavi was and that he understood Allen was speaking from his own experiences. You could even say Lavi began to respect him.
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Feel free to add any more comments if you want about the dynamics.
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The second Triple Pack set is a bit different, though interestingly enough, the characters are positioned in exactly the same places in each main character's image. However, for these shitajikis, you also see other characters at the top which vary depending on the shitajiki. Also, these have them in their newest uniforms with their upgraded Innocence. In Kanda's image, they again have all Innocence activated, and at the top you see Jasdero, Road, the Earl, Tyki, Debitt and Lulubell. In Allen's image, he and Kanda are facing off while Lavi shrugs helplessly and the ones at the top of the image (the nurse, Bak, Komui, Johnny and Reever) are watching with sweatdrops. In Lavi's image, he has an arm around a smiling Allen's shoulders and apparently attempted to do the same with Kanda, who seems to have stepped aside with an annoyed look on his face, so that Lavi is just leaning on him instead.
If you compare the two sets of images, you can read volumes into their relationships with each other, and the changes in them. Like, after the Ark arc, Allen seems more comfortable around Lavi, and Lavi's attitude towards him has perhaps changed a bit from treating him like a younger brother to treating him more like a partner of sorts. You can find scans of the first Triple Pack set at this shitajiki collector's page:
http://www.cyandora.net./shitajiki/gallery/dgrayman.htm
The second set, I don't remember where I found the pics, but I uploaded them to my webspace:
http://kawaii-aoi.tripod.com/shita-promo6.jpg
http://kawaii-aoi.tripod.com/shita-promo7.jpg
http://kawaii-aoi.tripod.com/shita-promo8.jpg
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Never thought about that. Now that you mention it, if you look deeply enough you could see some depth if you wanted to in that way. Interesting.
I guess Lavi did go from seeing Allen as just a brat to someone, who is still a brat but better then he first expected. XD
Got anything on Kanda?
(I always thought of the one where Lavi was shrugging was him reacting to how ignored he's been till now in the latest chapters compared to how much focus Allen and Kanda have been getting). XD
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Anyway, these are actually shitajiki, though the images also exist on trading cards. But the special sets, basically from what I understood, each set came with some trading cards and one shitajiki.
As far as Kanda goes, well, it's been noted somewhere in one of Hoshino's comments in the manga (I think?) that he's not exactly the smartest Exorcist in the bunch. But nevermind that, I've never really been interested in long-haired bishounen, or particularly in brooding bishounen unless they were also pretty intelligent. Plus Kanda irritates me and I don't find him original enough. It's like he has only two facial expressions: mad and surprised. I never really understood Kanda, I'll admit.
(I guess you can look at this however you wish, but I think these were published back when all three were still actively being seen, like during the Level 4 arc)
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Well I said Lenalee is greatly encouraged/inspired by Allen's strength to become stronger herself, while I said Lavi looks up to him in a way perhaps. The whole dazzling comment thing could also be that Lavi views Allen as something unique he didn't want to fade away (like how in certain trans he said was afraid that Allen's dazzle whatever ness would dissapear like the light someday).
Become in what ways do you mean though? Like Lavi wanting feelings as strong as Allen's on certain situations?
Whatever they are I still love them. Thanks again for posting those images. ^ ^
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Yeah, probably in that way too.
Yeah, I really like them too. And since I especially like the manga style shitajiki of D.Gray-Man, I bought the first set and am getting the second. And there's also the Jump Square promo shitajiki. On the same fanpage I linked you, it's the fourth one from the top.
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After reading this I want to see more of Lavi's relationship with others - mainly Lavi <-> Lenalee and Lavi <-> Kanda. Because I think perhaps a lot happened before Allen even came into the story. I want to see how they all meet and their first impressions, actually. In the fanbook it said Lenalee mistook Kanda for a girl - don't think I'll ever, ever forget that. Pffft.
Hmmm... now that I think about it, a lot of what we learn about Lavi is sort of vague. We get how important some people are to him but we aren't able to see too deep into that... ah, but this is off the top of my head so I'm probably wrong.
Anyway, good job with the analysis!
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Lol, Well to be fair Kanda does look like a girl when he was little. XD If he was as tempermental as he is now maybe she needed dark boots to fly away from his wrath. Samurai dignity can not be given back so easily after a defeat like that. XP
I would like to see Lavi's view on Kanda more. We already have a lot of his view on Lenalee (well in the manga's current timeline, not so much pre-Allen. I guess we have enough from her so far. She seems very picky about who she interacts with daily/casualy most though she cares a great deal about all her friends). But I would like to see more of his relationship to Kanda and why Kanda might mean to him so much. Then again it could easily be just a lot of daily interaction between the only two exorcists who are the same age in the Order?
Kanda? I just want to see some more honest views from him period. Obviously he cares. He just does not want to admit it so much. More so on Lavi and Allen, particulary the latter since they have a more complex relationship it may seem. Lenalee and him I would like to see more of, if only because I like their interactions. But I have a good grip I feel on how they both feel about the other with Kanda being comfortable with his acknowledgement of his more gentle humanity around her since they's known each other for so long probably.
Lavi is vauge like that. From his distress about leaving, I think he currently feels he would choose to rather have bookman duty then have them. But he would be sad if/when he does leave them. =/ Though his friends are important to him, he was willing to fry himself to death then hurt Allen anymore and so he could free Lenalee and Chaoji.
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Yeah, we have almost nothing from the manga on Lavi -> Kanda. But I think there might be more than the daily interactions thing because Lavi diesn't seem to be a person who is concerened with people all that easily. Something must have happened. Well that's my current conviction anyway. Maybe he is sort of comfortable with Kanda because he knows (well pre-Allen at least) that Kanda will stay out of his business for most part. But he also seems to, on some level, respect Kanda some and I don't think that after travelling with Bookman pretty much all his life and seeing all the things that he must have seen, he would come to respect people so easily. (whew. long sentence! hopefully it wasn't too jumbled!)
If later on Lavi will have to choose between being Bookman's successor or "Lavi", I think that'll be interesting. Because I think he'll understand the weight of not being Bookman's successor and because he's gotten pretty emotionally involved with the charatcers. Well, Allen, Lenalee and even Kanda I suspect wouldn't just let him walk out of their lives anyway. Well, that's only if Hoshino decides to draw/write about something like that.