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dgray_man2010-02-22 03:54 pm
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On Cross and the Bookman Clan
Well, hello everyone~ I must admit that there's something that has been bugging me for a while now, and I thought about posting it here to speculate/share theories/create a possible discussion about it.
I'd like to know if I'm the only one who thinks that, maybe, Lavi is a bit too young to be the immediate successor of the Bookman.
Alright, allow me to elaborate.
We all agree and are very aware that the current Bookman is quite an elderly man, yes? Something that Lavi likes to point out every time he gets the chance, too. Thing is, I think that if Bookman wasn't the strong old panda we all know and love, he probably would be presenting quite a heavy set of health conditions by now, if he had not died already of old age.
I'm talking of a 88 year-old man that went down the bumpy road and has spent most of his life traveling around restlessly, who also had the responsibility of not only dragging around a little redheaded brat, but raising and teaching that child the ways of the Bookmen. Not the best thing for his nerves, right?
Lavi began traveling with Bookman when he was 6 years old. That would make the old man 76 at the time. I'm sure that if Bookman hadn't been made of the strongest suit, he probably wouldn't have been able to take it. Especially since they've always found themselves within a violent, positively chaotic environment, as they keep records of the war and all.
Okay, now, my inquiries would be: why did Bookman have to wait so much to begin the instruction of his successor? And why was Lavi so young/Bookman too old when the time came? It really does make you wonder, if perhaps Lavi hadn't always been the original apprentice. That there was another, older person between Lavi and Bookman, who had been meant to carry on with the clan until Lavi (or any other, really) was old enough and mature enough to succeed that person to be the next Bookman.
And, also. Are there any theories as to why Cross wears a mask over his right eye? I looked for past entries in this community, but I couldn't find a post regarding this matter :(
I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this! ♥
I'd like to know if I'm the only one who thinks that, maybe, Lavi is a bit too young to be the immediate successor of the Bookman.
Alright, allow me to elaborate.
We all agree and are very aware that the current Bookman is quite an elderly man, yes? Something that Lavi likes to point out every time he gets the chance, too. Thing is, I think that if Bookman wasn't the strong old panda we all know and love, he probably would be presenting quite a heavy set of health conditions by now, if he had not died already of old age.
I'm talking of a 88 year-old man that went down the bumpy road and has spent most of his life traveling around restlessly, who also had the responsibility of not only dragging around a little redheaded brat, but raising and teaching that child the ways of the Bookmen. Not the best thing for his nerves, right?
Lavi began traveling with Bookman when he was 6 years old. That would make the old man 76 at the time. I'm sure that if Bookman hadn't been made of the strongest suit, he probably wouldn't have been able to take it. Especially since they've always found themselves within a violent, positively chaotic environment, as they keep records of the war and all.
Okay, now, my inquiries would be: why did Bookman have to wait so much to begin the instruction of his successor? And why was Lavi so young/Bookman too old when the time came? It really does make you wonder, if perhaps Lavi hadn't always been the original apprentice. That there was another, older person between Lavi and Bookman, who had been meant to carry on with the clan until Lavi (or any other, really) was old enough and mature enough to succeed that person to be the next Bookman.
And, also. Are there any theories as to why Cross wears a mask over his right eye? I looked for past entries in this community, but I couldn't find a post regarding this matter :(
I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this! ♥
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There is speculation that the Bookman Clan is a rather large organization. After all, what's the chance that two of two bookmen had usable innocence? I think Bookman only picked Lavi up for his eye(or whatever's under the patch).
As for Cross... half fasion statement, half for using the skull thing that's part of his innocence.
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Yes, that's what seems to be most likely. So it is probable that there were tons of other apprentices, but Lavi was the most capable out of all of them. And it looks like he was the youngest, too. Maybe Bookman took so long in picking his successor because he was waiting for the "right one" (i.e. capable, compatible with the innocence) to come?
Oh, really? Where did you find that out? 8D
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Oh, and that's just my guess. Cross is one big mystery, so maybe we'll find out oneday. :D
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On Cross, the reason I'm asking it's maybe due to my brain being funny and that maybe it's been mixing to completely unrelated things together. Buuut, I must admit that it bothers me that Cross wears his mask to hide his right eye. Very much like Lavi's eye-patch.
In the first artbook, Hoshino put a rather interesting picture of Bookman's right eye (http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/75/04/) on his profile page. His right eye changed just when he found that the transformation of Lenalee's innocence was something worth recording. Since that moment, and from what Lavi said in his reverse novel about the eye-patch, I've thought that all Bookmen (or rather, the "chosen ones") have this ability on their right eyes to record things.
And, you know, Cross definitely does know an awful lot of things.
Plus, he has red hairI'm not suggesting that he's Lavi's long lost father, or anything XD It's just... I'm trying to connect the dots.It could be possible that Cross was a member of the Bookman clan, but bailed when he discovered that it actually sucks
like he always does.He could even have been the next in line... his age filling in the time gap almost perfectly. And Lavi wouldn't know any this, of course. Being such a young member and Bookman not telling himto prevent the shock such discovery would entailOh, yes. I hope we'll find out! At least on the Clan, though. Cross could remain forever mysterious and completely left to the imagination. XD
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It could still be possible that Cross was in the Bookman clan, it would be one of the reasons why he skipped town for so long (Hiding from the Bookmen), considering we were never really given a REAL reason as to why he avoided the Order for so long. But then again, we don't even know when he became an Exorcist, but it had to have been a WHILE ago since he trained Allen AND became a General before we really even met him. And since there isn't any information on his age (pff, Hoshino won't tell us anything, and you'd think Allen would have a vague idea )': ), I can't even say anything about that. *has been trying to figure out how old he is for a while*
And about The Bookman's eye: I never saw that picture before! *wasn't paying attention during that arc unless Kanda was in the pic* But it is interesting. Maybe the bookmen have the eye but aren't allowed to use it until they're actually THE Bookman? I don't know. Or maybe it was just something to show just how big a detail it was? *doubt it though*
And I think the whole reason they got involved in the Black Order was because they didn't have any information, so they weren't really involved in it until the joined up.
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(Sorry to butt in.)
We know that Cross used to be a scientist, and there's a picture in the Noche art book which appears to be of him as a younger man (with Timcanpy, and apparently without his mask) among other members of the Order. At a guess, I'd say that that picture was set about 6-9 years before the current canon time, because of the age Lenalee looks in that picture. But he isn't wearing anything obvious like an Exorcist coat or a labcoat in that picture...
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*Goes to fin it as well* Thanks, and never mind about butting in. This is what a discussion is all about~
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a) dropped out, because they were too much individuals to become Bookmen
b) went completely crazy because of the things they've seen/learned
c) were killed, either in action or because they dropped out of being Bookmen, and knew too much.
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Hmm, that makes me wonder about the reaction of the Clan itself, and how they organized themselves in this kind of situation. Could the apprentices bail that easily? They were probably killed, as you say, when they tried to escape. It'd be pretty obvious, then, that the Bookman clan is quite a large organization with many members scattered around the world. Or maybe they do have a permanent, hidden location somewhere. And the current Bookman with his apprentice are the only ones let out to witness the world's events as the other members of the Clan remain hidden in said location, protecting the records and putting them into place.
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I don't know what Bookman's got goin' on, but I don't think there is just one of them. There can't be. I:
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lol! This actually one of my favourite theories that Cross was Bookman's original apprentice. And yes, a lot of it has to do with Cross mask but there are some other interesting things to point out.
*Bookman was the only person who knew that Cross could convert Akuma.
*Chomesuke knew who Lavi was on sight and refereed to him as Bookman Junior rather then his Persona name of Lavi.
As for the Innocence thing I have a feeling(especially with all the stuff we've seen in recent chapters) that the Bookman clan may know some secrets about Innocence and can bend it to their will. Because I'm not sure about the rest of you but it's awfully convenient that both Bookman and his Apprentice can use Innocence. Even more so since there are only 41 known pieces out of 109 in the entire world. Even if Bookman was to spend his time waiting for the right person to come along the chances of him actually finding someone is just... HUGE.
It might also help in explaining Cross's disappearance. Now, I'm of the 'Alive until proven otherwise' team when it comes to Cross's 'death'. No body was every found, only glimpsed briefly by some unknown guard, and just because Judgment isn't linked to him anymore proves nothing. Even the blood could have been planted. He's a smart man so it wouldn't be difficult to pull off(it helps that he has a corpse who can mind-feck people)
I agree with sakanagi that Cross probably hasn't been with the Order long and was an Exorcist and General for even less time. So it's possible that he could have trained with Bookman and bumped into the 14th at some point and rethought his life.
Either way I just want to know more about the clan because they're one of the series biggest mysteries. Even Hoshino said that they were key to the over-all plot of DGM *kicks Hoshino* COME ON!
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Very good points you have there, and surely there are many others that in retrospect would happen to be quite revealing.
Yes, there are so many blanks in Cross story. I, as well, think he's still alive, but I don't think he'll let himself be seen ever again. That'd leave his past solely to the flashback I DO HOPE Hoshino will fill in sooner or later.
The question would certainly fall on the mysterious Bookman clan, and how everyone who's anyone in the War seems to have heard/know about it, but nobody really seems to know what it truly is about or its purpose, for that matter.
Maybe im the only one but...>>
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