SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 202 - Engrish tiem

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The thing is that since his arc started I have felt a question nagging me at the back of my head.

As for what we could gather from the Arc and previously is that Kanda has this ability to see lotus flowers everywhere and that it seems to be a colateral effect of being a second exorcist or something along those lines. We also found out thanks to the newest Arc that Alma was his beloved one, that they almost killed each other and that Allen transported them to Martel where Alma passed over in the most romantic/symbolic way involving also lotus flowers.

Thanks to Hoshino's interview we know that Yuu Kanda is safe and sound and going to be back at some point of the manga.

Now, here comes the nagging question that was born after reading a question at kanlina comm: if you read Chapter 202's page 13 you will see that the Order has established that Kanda is pretty much dead and the rust that covers Mugen is the proof he is a goner, dancing cha cha cha in the afterlife with Daysa and Eliade.

Now, didn't he own a clock in which there was inside a lotus flower that could prove if he was a goner or not?

It could be that the product of the side effect of being a second exorcist makes him see that clock but what does it really stands for? I mean, at the beginning is said that if the flower withers he dies and in some translations that it was the other way (if he dies, the flower withers). He has died several times since he was reborn, especially under the experiments the Order seemed to put Alma and him under; he has died even a few extra times during battle or seemed to have touched heaven, seen the cha cha cha line and came back.

So, that's my question, if nobody can see the clock but him, if the clock is an allucination like the lotus flowers, what does it really stand for?


Now, does anyone else, after Hoshino's interview about Kanda being alive and knowing that what the Order said about him being dead is wrong, think that Cross is now more alive than ever and robably has contacted with Yuu "Allen's Noah grumpy switch on/off" Kanda?

They thought Cross was dead and the proof was the gun, they thought Kanda was dead and the proof was the sword, to me it seems Cross is pretty much alive now than ever and the proof is Kanda's sword and Hoshino's affirmation about this.

But well, those are my questions, being the first the one that concerns me the most.

Thank you for your time!

Comments

[youffie-17.livejournal.com]

^ Yes, I don't think we can totally trust Zhu when he said that. After all he did seem sorry about this whole mess.

And while I'm not sure if Cross is dead or not, that was different: his Innocence was intact, and Hevlaska said specifically that "Cross Marian is no longer the host for this Innocence".

So, if anything, I agree that it could be something more similar to what happened to Lenalee. They didn't know what was going on with hers either, did they?
Edit: … The more I think about it, the more I think it's this. You know, the whole Lenalee arc could be roughly summed up in her struggling to decide if she really wanted her Innocence back, and not because someone else forced it on her. Now that Kanda has fulfilled his goal, does he really want to be an Exorcist now? If so, he'll have to prove himself to the Innocence, and not because of someone else he has to find or stuff, but because he wants it. Does that make sense?

BUT! If Cross is truly alive (which I'm inclined to believe), I think he'd definitively contact Kanda. Though, like, how would he even know where Kanda was? (In my crazy on-going senseless plotbunny: of course he would, HE'S FROM THE FUTURE.)

Actually, I don't see how Kanda can survive this if someone doesn't help him out. Wasn't Matera a ghost city? Isn't he pretty much dead? D:

And by the way, why the frack did he have those illusions in the first place? Is it a confirmed side-effect of the Second Exorcist project and are they disappeared now that he found the person he was looking for? Are we getting some answers next chapter? ;_;

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It makes a lot of sense, that Innocences have started to put their exorcists in trials to see if they are willing or not to carry on with their ultimate destinies. Or perhaps, to me, the innocence has done that to protect itself from being used by somebody else but his master (and Kay Willow's theory sounds perfect as well, that it has evolved to a crystal type).

I can see Kanda survive, despite being Lala a doll, Gouzol was an elderly man, there has to be at least a source of water to help him. One can survive a long period of time without food but three days without water and Kanda has the training to survive.

As for Cross, I think he can find him, I don't know how much Timcampy saw or transmited, I mean, the little guy knew when to come in, the exact moment when it had to get in to defend Allen, it makes me think it kept some sort of connection with Allen during the fight and that he could transmited such information somewhere else, like, for example, its former owner Cross Marian.

To me Cross Marian got some important information from Mana before he passed away, otherwise it would be too much of a coincidence that he was just passing by when he saw Allen fight Akuma!Mana. I think it was bound to happen, that they orchestrated everything and that Cross knows more than what he has said already.

Nugatory42 gave me the links to the novels, it seems that the lotus flowers represent Kanda's most intense wishes and they show up as lotus flowers, being the clock just the surface of his inner biggest wish (to me, it's the promise he made to Alma of finding her/him no matter how long it took him). The lotus are somehow reminders of that intense desire he has and it seems being a second exorcist, or perhaps the innocence he has, enable him to see them everywhere (it has to be a lolastic experience to see, for example, Jeryy surrounded with lotus flowers a la bishoujo manga XD).

*hugs*

[youffie-17.livejournal.com]

the innocence has done that to protect itself from being used by somebody else but his master

I hadn't thought of that, but it sounds great and possible! Also: Kanda and Mugen = total canon love.

Well, yes, Timcampy went to help Allen, but I thought it was more because of the 14th than anything else; he became huge just as Allen became a Noah, and the 14th did say “My Timcampy” the first time Allen met him, after all. And, he had the score. Really, Allen could at least try to get some information out of Tim… e__e

As for the information Mana gave Cross, I think it was the 14th who told him most of what he knows, which is so not limited to what he told Allen that time before he "died." In the last novel (don't know if you've already read the summaries… If not you definitively should, there are some serious mindfuck spoilers there!), Allen met Cross before he started travelling with Mana, and he seemed to know what was going on far too well. So I think he was stalking them and had been for a while when Allen brought Mana back.

But I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to get the last news from the war while minding his own business away. If he's still alive and himself, that's it.

Oh, right, I had forgotten that Kanda's Innocence was all about illusions and stuff. It could be an explanation, sort of. (Ahah, that's such an awesome crack image I really don't understand why Hoshino hasn't drawn it yet. I bet that's why Kanda's always so grumpy. I would be too if every time I woke up all I could see were big fat pink flowers… xD)

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Kanda x Mugen brings tears to his Gay Sweater /I will never be a sane human being after that fic

Timcampy has more info than what s/he lets us know. Perhaps Tim was made to hold all the information Mana gave to Cross before his death, I'm unsure because I have yet to read the novels (life, why do you hate my happy free "not doing nothing at all" time?).

Hopefully he is, before he was shot he gave me the impression he was the leader of the third party he talked about (for some reason I laugh at the idea of Cross calling it something like "La resistance" with french accent included).

Yup, it could be that, all his powers are called "Illusion" something, perhaps the innocence enables him to see the flowers. And Hoshino should have cracked that joke, I mean, Jeryyy and Leverrier sound like fantastic options but Tiedoll, goodness, it would have been wonderful!

Tiedoll would be like "Oh Yuu-kun, let's have a father-son moment, shall we? I brough you a jeans overall, a straw hat and a very pretty shirt that says "I'm with dad". We could go outside and do some lovely gardening, I know how much you love magnolias!" and be surrounded by as many lotus and sparkles that it would give both Tamaki and any shoujo manga a headache due the excess of sparkles and flowers and happiness and pink and everything that is considered girly.

I'm pretty sure that's why Kanda is quite pissed off, he did not only have to suffer looking like a young lady during his early teens but also having a soujo manga vision. Panda must look so bishounen to him XD

*hugs*