dgray_man | So, about the Earl...

Hey, everyone!

I'm new to the community (and Livejournal for that matter XD) and I come here with a discussion prompt that is also a request.

I wanted to know your guys' opinions about the Earl. As in, who the hell is he, anyway? Some biblical figure? And why are the Noah Clansmen, who have been chosen by God, fighting alongside his worst enemy? And if they are chosen by God, why is Innocence, God's crystal, poisonous (or something like that O_o) to them?

After a little investigation, I was going for the theory that the Earl is actually either Ham or Canaan, son and grandson of Noah who were cursed by him, and all the other Noah Clansmen were his descendents. But the thing is (and I only realised this because I was rewatching the anime by chance XD) the Earl was already around at the time of the great flood and it seems he was the one who caused it. There goes my theory (Note to self: Don't forget important plot threads >_<). So I was wondering what everyone thinks. All we know for sure is that the Earl's human (Tykki says so in chapter 158) and I think it is also mentioned that he turned humanity against God or something of the like. With this in mind, discuss away, people! =D

Oh, right, and this is kind of a request because I need theories for a fic I'm writing XP (I'm also in dire need of theories about the Heart but I've already seen a post about this so there's no need to repeat it... Still, if you want to tie it in with the Earl and Noah discussion, feel free to do so =D)

~~I apologise in advance for any mistakes since English isn't my mother tongue.~~

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Because of Hoshino Katsura's implications, I continue to assume that the Earl is, in fact, Count of St. Germain, a legendary alchemist and adventurer from 18th century. He was known for his incredibly long life (74 years is very long for that era) and had numerous talents, including being a musician, composer, inventor and an excellent conversationalist. There are numerous legends concerning him because of his ability to casually involve himself with famous people, and his frequent appearances in occultism as a powerful, even godlike, figure.

Of note is that, like Duke Millennium, St. Germain was rumored to be reborn numerous times in different forms. He was implied to have been Christopher Columbus, as well as at least two other famous alchemists.

The series' title also references Dorian Gray, a character who shares numerous similarities with the Count of St. Germain.

I had to wiki St. Germain (because I'm ignorant '-_-) and, in fact, that could very well be the "human" identity of the Earl, especially considering chapter 158. Now, you can't imagine how dumb I feel for not thinking of Dorian Gray in connection to the "D.Gray" in the title O_O But when you mentioned it, something suddenly came to mind... "The Devil and Tom Walker" by Washington Irving; it touches the issue of temptation (just like The Picture of Dorian Gray) by an evil entity (like the Earl in the series) and maybe, just maybe, the surname Walker isn't a coincidence? (I don't know if Hoshino has ever stated where she got the name from... If so and I'm making up stuff, please feel free to correct me) I can see not only Allen somewhat taking the part of Tom (who worked for Old Scratch but redeemed himself, like Allen who called back Mana but then became an Exorcist) but maybe also Mana? *Was looking for theories in all the wrong places XD* I'm still wondering about the Noah and why the hell they decided to side with the Earl, though... Any ideas? (And thanks for prompting my weird brain into motion XD)

Well, Hoshino-sensei said in his profile that he was based on an ancient alchemist who was supposedly immortal... Perhaps he is meant heavily imply that in the way he creates akuma and even how the Ark creates them...

Hmm... That theory does make sense -nods-. Since he speaks about how all other humans (And the Noah) were created from inside the Ark, which he presumably made himself. Therefore, it would make sense that all of the Noah are his descendants. However, there must be older, or more "original Noah" that are clearly the Earl's direct relations, as there are many photos seen floating around the Ark (at least it is implied they are Noah), and even Jasdebi and Tyki admit that they have never truly been to that specific place many times. However, that's just my view of things...

Sorry for rambling... ^_^U

I'd always thought the Noah reincarnated into different humans through the 7000 years, so wouldn't the paintings be of the previously possessed? Tyki and Jasdebi also mention it's familiar to them though they've never been. Therefore the Noah remembers but the human part doesn't.

Perhaps I missed something but I thought the Earl wasn't related to the Noah, but he makes use of them to futher his 'scenario'.

This is such an interesting discussion...

Well I wasn't sure whether or not they were truly "possessed", or if they simply had both their human lives and their Noah lives, like Tyki. However, the possession could be true, at least that seemed to be the case with Skin... -shrugs-

It seems like it's a symbiotic possession. Like it's two souls co existing in one body. The different Noah all seem to have different levels of control as well. Some seem to live completely as Noah (Skinn and the Twins), others put on the human face but still act as Noah (Road and Sherrill), so far Tyki was the only one who was trying to be both human and Noah. When he was 'white' Tyki, he didn't even attempt to attack Allen on the train though he must have known he was an exorcist. He even seemed to be repressing the Noah a bit. He didn't release his full power until the Ark where it looked like Skinn and the Twins did it ages ago.

That said, we haven't seen Road's full power yet... scary... O_o

Ah... That makes more sense to me, now. -nods- Yes, I wasn't sure if some chose to switch between their more "human" and Noah sides, or if they simply didn't have the ability to do so for long periods of time, like Road, Sherrill, and Tyki. And Tyki does repress his Noah side around some humans because he, "Doesn't want to lose it... Because having a light and dark side is what makes life interesting..." So maybe he simply kept repressing those powers to keep his human life as intact as he could? That is just my view though...

Ooh yes, I agree about why Tyki represses his powers. I also remember he said he had to be careful or he wouldn't be able to go back. I wonder, now that he's released his full power, if he can go back to his 'white' side? Poor Tyki...

-nods- I remember that as well... Hmm... And now that you mention that, he's stayed in his "Noah" form for the most recent chapters, or at least he's had the darker skin... I wonder if that's why?

Yes, I agree with the possession theory. That was what I was going to say but you beat me to it XD. And in the Rewinding Town Arc, when Road first shows up, she tells Allen that the Earl is her "sibling". So they're a little more than just his allies or pawns. Also, during the Ark Arc, Road says something about them being "sacrificial lambs"... Which just me makes me want to ask more questions O_O I have a gazillion theories going through my mind, really XD And you're right, I think this is one of the most interesting discussions in DGM :3

The Millenuim Earl was a man who cam once a millenuim (every thousand years) with a suitcase smiling at everyone ^^;

Kinda weird o.o;;But I suppose his look and name was based off the legend xD

Except, this time around, he has a talking umbrella instead of a suitcase XD

I suspect that the Earl may be the anti-thesis of the Creator in the world of DGM. The Creator represents "light" while the Earl represents "darkness".

My theory is that the Earl wants to see his vision of the human race in the world of DGM. This world is likely to be more structured, but horrifying as well. (Think DGM Japan on the rest of the world.)

Exactly, I believe that as well, especially if we take into consideration Innocence and Dark Matter as oposites. Hey, could that be why the Earl is originally so upset with God? I mean, the great flood was meant to wipe out the "wicked" humanity but if the Earl believes that was the right humanity, he would consider the flood a bad thing. What I don't get with this hypothesis is what Noah has to do with anything O_O Unless he wasn't actually "saved" by God and escaped on his own. Or God saved him "against his will" while he didn't want humanity to be wiped at all? There are just so many possibilities...

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