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Good afternoon DGM fans! How are you? I hope you are fine and enjoying the rest of Sunday's afternoon.

As you know lately at DGM manga universe many things have taken place that have put the fandom upside down and looking around for stuff that could show a glimpse of what might come up soon.

Well, thanks to the ongoing things I have doubts on my own as well XD

Many days ago one of the community's user made a post concerning what happened at chapter 182 and I offered myself to look for a particular page in the manga saying that Allen was actually named "general" but because of his "noah past" they didn't offer him such title.

Unfortunately, no matter how I looked in both, English and Spanish, especially in the former one; scanlations I couldn't find the page, because of that I never replied and I felt my behavior could be interpreted as rude so I apologize wholehearedly if the owner of the post felt that way. ;_; Sorry, didn't want to leave you hanging ;_;

Even though, re reading the manga (3rd time) again made me ponder about two things:

1) When at the manga there was settled the funeral for all the Searchers and alike, I recall that Komui said no one had to know they have died to prevent akumas to be made, but he also said that the bodies were going to be cremated / destroyed so no akuma would use them.
Days later in an Allen x Yuu doujinshi I read the same thing but I coudn't connect why the bodies needed to be destroyed if it was the soul what akumas needed to be made.

Could it be that the skeleton that the Earl uses to make akumas is made of the original body and then it gets inside its new host body?

(If someone can find the chapter of the funeral I would be most thankful)

2) Concerning Yuu and the half akumas in the new chapter. It is said that 9 years ago from the current cannon time an incident took place and then the manga focused on Yuu.

Looking around the manga before, I had the braincells (well, for once in their lives they worked) to save two pages of the manga in which Kanda's chest symbol appeared in chapter 131, page 11 (the file says it XD) without its user sporting it on his chest.

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As you can see Cross has stopped the egg from downloading and the symbol used to block this is the same one Yuu has on his chest sans a detail (In case you can't spot it, it's the frame where Cross says Baru).

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(The page is number 8 of Noah's Memory 4)

Observation 1, relating to chapter 185: Could it be that Yuu was the first experiment to make half akumas half humans the order did because they had almost no exorcists, and that the very reason Yuu has that symbol is because Cross, or anyone else for the matter, locked the akuma within him?

Considering Cross can change and lock or even make akumas serve him, it could have worked. It could also explain why Yuu is the only exorcist who is not parasite type that can tolerate being bombarded and covered with dark stars without turning into dust.

Observation 2: Yuu was the only exorcist who was able to kill a Noah, not even Allen was successful in purifying Tyki. Does it mean that Yuu actually has stronger powers than Allen? Or that the Noah and him were in equal situation because of Kanda's past?

Anyways, the observations are more than anything a debate thing than actual theories *lying between teeth because she already made Yuu an akuma in one of her fanfics :P*

Ah, just a tiny question, for fanfiction stuff: Hevraska is the first exorcist, her role is to keep the innocences within her, in their respectives locks, in a sleeping state.

Do you think it is possible for an innocence to "escape" from Hevraska and do its own mischievous affair on its own?

Because I have wanted to write a non romantic fic in which an innocence (Doppelgänger) escapes and decides to make up its own exorcist by using Kanda's art figure, the one from the joke featured inside volume 15, causing a huge pain in Kanda's ass when the whole order figures out that the now happy Yuu is not a product of Komui's failed experimentation, but Yuu's "good twin".

(And considering too much can not be done since I don't have an ending or similar for this I guess it will be but a bunch of assorted drabbles XD Perhaps just say that it was because of Kanda's request that it came to be alive, but nothing more :P).

Thank you so much for your time!

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I think Allen could've killed Tiki if he wanted to--he chose instead to try to purify, which is a different matter entirely, so judging Kanda's strength relative to his in that respect isn't a very accurate representation. I think. ;;;

I dunno if it's possible for innocence to escape from Hevraska, but it's certainly possible for innocence itself to move around--Cloud's innocence is sentient and Timothy's innocence (though only after he "realized" it, I guess) also has a distinct voice and personality? Kanda said waaaay early in the series that "strange events occur" and the Order is sent to investigate if it turns out to be innocence at work, which would imply that the innocence at some point makes itself known and thus has some control over itself. For the purposes of your fic, you could make the doppelganger sort of "activate" like that on Kanda?

Thank you very much! Your point helped me a lot to sort out ideas concerning the fic (an errant innocence inside the order can not be odd, odd things happen and Hevlaska doesn't have the powers to tell where each innocence is) <3 *hugs* And I didn't see the issue of noahs, Kanda and Allen in that perspective, perhaps they are equally stronger (and that might be why they are so alike before Marie's eyes :P).

*hugs from a Hetalia fan to another XD*

I don't have anything to offer about the rest, but as for your first question... I don't believe they ever offered to make Allen a general. It was simply that he reached over 100% synchronization rate, and Komui (I think?) said that he's got the potential to become a general. That was during Allen's battle with Tyki on the Ark.

Edit: Er, wait, I read that wrong. But still, same thing. *nods* They didn't name him a general, I believe, just said that he could.

Edited 2009-04-19 23:39 (UTC)

Actually, according to the scanlations, Hevlaska said that a person who could become a new general had appeared, a person who had reached critical point. Hevlaska didn't know who it was at the time, but Komui immediately thought of Allen when she said that, as did Reever. They never seemed to speak of it again after that.

Indeed, they didn't name him general, Hevlaska said that someone reached the potential to become a general but nothing else. Anyways, I wanted to apologize with that person for the delay ;_; I know it could be understood as rude to promise something and not answer back but meanwhile leave posts at other community's posts (at least, I saw drama get unfold for that as silly as it might sound).

*hugs* Thanks for your collaboration :3!

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/d_gray_man/c044/7.html

Now that you've said it, I guess I don't get it either. But I guess I always thought it had to do with resurrection. If you look up cremation on Wikipedia, you get some interesting info.
It makes me think Hoshino is implying that cremated bodies cannot be resurrected by the Earl?

In Supernatural, they mention this a number of times. To get rid of vengeful and other ill-intentioned ghosts, the two main characters find the body and burn it. If there's even a tiny part of the body left, or something their spirit is tied to strongly (like a pendant that held special significance for them, for instance), the ghost can still manifest itself. I can only assume it's the same thing for spirits. Though the show never does say what happens to a spirit whose body is burned. There's speculation that it either becomes damned (ie goes to Hell), or it's cleansed.

Reading what Mellmell suggested (the cremation article) it says that according the catholic views destroying the body would make the owner of said body not ressurect, if you consider it as a matter of "Well, just in case, let's do it" it seems to suit DGM.

Also what Orchida said makes sense a lot <3

*hugs*

I looked in the comments but couldn't find a linked article. Well, in Supernatural they don't know for sure what happens to the spirit of the person whose body is burned, but I certainly hope it's not as the catholics view it.

Thank you so much! *hugs tightly* I will edit the post to show the link <3

And thank you again for the data, it seems to be a catholicism related behavior. Considering that, according to Wikipedia, the body is buried so when the time comes it resurrects, destroying it would prevent the making of akumas.

And also what Orchida said seems to be what might be happening at the cannon as well <3

*hugs*

"Because I have wanted to write a non romantic fic in which an innocence (Doppelgänger) escapes and decides to make up its own exorcist by using Kanda's art figure, the one from the joke featured inside volume 15, causing a huge pain in Kanda's ass when the whole order figures out that the now happy Yuu is not a product of Komui's failed experimentation, but Yuu's "good twin"."
This should definitely be done by some one, that would be really hilarious.

And seeing those half akuma guys makes me wonder about Cross too, what with all the crazy stuff he does, what kind of a role he might have played in all this? I guess I'm saying that if he isn't above modifying akuma to be obedient, it really wouldn't surprise me if he would be involved with other things like that as well. I am also intensely curious about how he can do those things that he does, like when he slows down the egg on the ark? How come he can do that?

Ugh!! It's so confusing!
And i never understood about the whole cremation thing. I have no idea why that would make a difference.

I have been thinking it for quite a long, long time, almost since I made my writer's account and the idea has been rotting in my profile since then XD The issue with it is not only that it has no ending but it has evolved to some sort of Kanda acting parent like now that the clone has been reduced to 5 years old...

... Thankfully I don't write in English XD The fandom is safe :P

Cross himself is an entire mystery to anyone. I really want to know what on earth he is and why on earth he knows what he knows. Bet it gets revealed in the latest chapters.

Thanks to Mellmell and Subaru_san I got the thing right: Catholicism believes that the body must be preserved so when the time comes, it resurrects.
No body equals to no resurrection that equals to no akuma because the soul gets destroyed or lost for not having a body to return to. Something along those lines.

Hope Hoshino forgives our lives with Kanda's past and makes it easier XD!

*hugs*

Regarding the cremation, I don't think the purpose was to prevent the bodies themselves from being used to become Akuma. Here's what I got from the example in the manga: it's dangerous enough for loved ones to just know about the death, but even if they handled that, seeing the proof could force them into grief deep enough that one tries to call the loved one back. If the loved ones don't know and there's no proof to stumble across, who would try to call back the deceased? So one less Akuma to fight.

Also, ashes would be easier to either store or get rid of than a whole body.

Or, more simply, the body could be used by an Akuma body. Remember how the Akuma skeleton squeezes into a body upon its "birth"?

It's true that a newly-"born" Akuma squeezes into a body, but as I understand it, isn't it the body of the person who called the deceased back and not the deceased's actual body?

I don't think the deceased's body comes into play at all as far as it's been revealed in canon -- though if what you put in your reply to

mellmell about Supernatural ends up applying to DGM, that should be interesting! We don't know all there is to know about Akuma, after all.

True, but either way, that prevents the body from being used. But yeah, I do believe in what they say in Supernatural. Whenever there's a malevolent ghost involved, they always ask if the body has been cremated. It's a major theme. Someone should ask Hoshino if they get the chance.

I always wanted to think of them that way: The Earl wanders in a graveyard with his pink apron, takes out the body, makes up the skeleton and then introduces his self before the grieving one.

Pink apron comes courtesy of the fact he is as odd as a squirrel doing extreme alpine skiing.

I have always wanted to think that the method of linking/bonding/using the soul trapped within the weapon is the same one innocences use with exorcists.

Indeed, it seems to be that the very reason as well as something related to catholicism. They believe that without a body there's no resurrection and akumas are "resurrected" souls.

@_@ These are the moments when I wish I knew Hoshino's magazine's mail box to ask her stuff like that (or send bad fanart :P)

*hugs*

I thought Cross was a sorcerer of some sort, since Cross made this comment http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/04/
And the symbols from this page are familiar http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/127/03/

Wait, when did Yuu get infected by the akuma virus?!

When they were fighting the akuma 4 recently, in that chapter in which Marie cuts his fingers off, the akuma shoots him and covers him with stars. Afterwards he is just peaches and cream kicking some akuma 4 tushie.

And now you made me realize something else... *goes to make a new question*

Cross indeed seems to be more related to the Earl than expected. He looked like those guys!

*hugs*

Whoa, I didn't realize that.. Kanda did get shot, but the pentacles on him wasn't shown. Maybe Hoshino's on to something there, and the fact that it didn't bother Marie might imply that Marie does know a whole lot more about Kanda than he lets out.

Wasn't Cross looked like the skulls because he was in disguise?

Allen is the only Exorcist who isn't a General to have been deemed to be at a General's level by Hevlaska, so I think none of the other Exorcists (including Kanda, Lenalee and Lavi) are as strong as Allen.

Regarding the Kanda thing, I personally don't believe that Kanda is related to Akuma in any way, mostly because Allen's eye seems to react to even the tiniest bit of Dark Matter, which was demonstrated in chapter 185. Unless you want to believe that the symbol on Kanda's chest is a seal similar to that used by the Skulls to prevent Allen's eye from reacting to Akuma, which would be an interesting theory.

I thought Kanda's symbol as such thing, as a seal keeping some strong force within him.

Unless it is something related to the Fallen. Kanda was the first artificial exorcist made and the seal was to keep the innocence within him, once the seal splits open when the edges touch each other, he becomes a Fallen :P

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Allen is stronger but it always caught my attention that Kanda was able to be like him: be injuried by an akuma and don't get poisoned, become stronger with him, etc.

It's odd.

*hugs*

True, but in terms of pure strength, I definitely see that Allen is stronger. Not to mention his Innocence has evolved more than any of the others'. Even Lenalee, her Innocence has evolved only once. Like Bookman has said, Allen fights more than the others because of his left eye, so it makes sense he would be stronger by now.

But yeah, your idea makes sense, about Kanda. Guess we'll find out this coming week. Or we'll at least begin to find out if this ends up being spread out over several chapters.

For your first question, the way that I always saw it was that the cremation part was more over so that bodies weren't taken back to their families/their families never know about their loved ones deaths. If the family never sees a body and/or knows about the death then they can't call them back. I don't think the body is anything to focus on, more the grief that's involved when a loved one has died.

Indeed, it seems that what you said accurately describes what is going on. If there's no body, how can you prove that person has died?

It also seems to have religious connotations because according to catholicism no body equals to no resurrection and akumas are "resurrected" souls inserted in weapons.

*hugs*

I seriously doubt that Kanda is part Akuma. Now it's possible that someone did experiments on him or cursed him or something but part akuma is unlikely. If an akuma was locked inside of him, Allen would be able to sense it and would no doubt have mentioned it at some point.

As for Allen not finishing off Tiki, I suspect that maybe before the noah can be purified by crown clown, the noah has to come out. Like with Skin, he went all lightning-monster when his noah came out. Tiki hadn't gotten to that point, which is why Crown Clown didn't purify him. Course this is just my theory and I could be wrong.

Thinking of what you said concerning Kanda made me also think something I told Subaru_san above. Perhaps Kanda was the first artificial exorcist made and the seal was to keep the innocence within him, once the seal splits open when the edges touch each other, he becomes a Fallen one and there he goes.

Again, just non-sense from my side :P

And your theory about Tyki fits right and makes sense. He wasn't a fully awaken Noah unlike Skinn, all what Allen did was to try to purify him and it might have worked if he had been fully awake. Kanda had that on his side, Skinn was a fully awaken noah.

*hugs*

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