dgray_man | Chapter 191 Discussion

I don't know what's going on anymore. =/

We still in Kanda's flashback or something?

This is the problem with monthly chapter updates, it's difficult to keep track of everything.

I admit the story has gotten a bit confusing ever since she started the monthly installments. That said, yes, this is still part of the flashback that Kanda is experiencing. Allen and Rhode seem to have disappeared somewhere, though they are supposedly experiencing his flashback too. I am excited to finally learn more about Kanda's past. It certainly explains A LOT about the way he is. Here's hoping we can get more on Lavi soon?

I MISS LAVI AND LENALEE AND MIRANDA AND CROWLEY AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE WHO ISN'T KANDA (OR ALLEN.) :(

I miss Allen and Allen is supposedly in this flashback. XD

But yes, she does have a bad habit of packing people onto a bus and forgetting about them for a while.

Allen was around last chapter, though. Briefly. And he's been in all the other chapters, so I can't really miss him.

Yeah, the male lead has to be in most of the chapters in any shounen series. It's law. *sagenods*

I ESPECIALLY WANT MIRANDA BACK. =(

WHERE IS SHE. WHAT IS SHE DOING.

ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, HOSHINO.

HEAR HEAR.

I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT HER ;A;

i agree!!!

I agree with you.
I really miss them. ; - ;

I am confused since the flashback has started.
Okay, we're in Kanda's past, but we see now from the view of Allen and Rhode?
And who is she? e___e

I miss Lavi and the others.
Where are she?

I think the three of them are all supposed to be experiencing Kanda's flashback thanks to Wisely (is that his name? Too many new Noahs popping up all at once for me to keep them straight).

My guess for the woman is that Kanda was grown from the genes of an expired exorcist, and the "core memories" that the researchers mentioned are the memories of the original exorcist that he was made from (which would make this girl the wife/lover?). I'm hoping we learn more about that soon.

I miss Lavi too. Here's hoping we get more of him soon.

I'm thinking she's his mother, and they picked up the kid after she died. Maybe they thought an exorcist's child would be more compatible with Innocence. Then they suppressed his memories while preparing him somehow in that womb room.

Ooo now there's a thought. And somehow even more nasty of the Order picking up children and experimenting on them as compared to growing them (which is still pretty horrible). I like it!

I'm glad we're finally getting to see Yuu's past ^-^ But is Allen still watching it all? ~~this reminds me of Syaoran seeing Kurogane's past in TRC~~

I wanna see a meeting between young!Kanda and Tiedoll, should be interesting xD

Yeah, Allen and Rhode seem to have slipped off, though presumably they are still watching Kanda's past unfold. I am happy to finally learn more about him, though.

You might be in luck, with his chance meeting of Bak and Marie, we may just yet see him meet Tiedoll (he is supposed to save Marie's life, isn't he? *thinks about the off hand comment Marie makes to Allen about him and Kanda being alike*).

And Young!Bak is so nerdy and cute, I love it.

nn, but- IGNORE RP ACCOUNT, k-

I'm pretty sure that when Maire spoke of someone saving his life, it was Kanda? And he said "the one who saved me", so I wonder if it was actually physically saving his life or something else, now... considering how in the memory he's all, WOO I'LL DIE NEXT CAN'T WAIT

I'd really like some lose ends to get tied up. Cross died, then we go out on a full out war? To many curveballs. I did like the backstory on Kanda though. I understand him a lot more now. Alma reminds me of Allen >u<

I definitely get the impression that she's writing this story on the fly without much planned out ahead of time, and with the hiatus she's come up with all these ideas that she's trying to stick in all at once. It's been a bit overwhelming, for sure.

Things I want more explanation on:

~Cross's disappearance. I don;t believe he is dead. He is a powerful magic user (the only magic user we've heard about aside form the earl), and they said that the amount of blood loss would kill a human. Interesting choice of words.

~Lavi. It's my theory that he is actually the Heart of Innocence. We still don;t know if he is actually human, what the Bookmen clan are exactly (other than chroniclers of the secret history), and what the eye patch is all about. It's been said their is an eye under there and that it is significant to the story. I want more, please!

~The Noah clan: till now we've only seena handful of them, and now suddenly the whole rest fo them are showing up (and the art style is such that they all sort of lokoalike to me XD). And what was it with the formal ball scene? I really need to hear more about these guys to understand it all better. I thought I had it figured out after the Ark, but now I'm lost again.

~The 3rd side to the war: I have a feeling there is going to be a rebellion against the Order by some of the exorcists. All the dirty secrets are coming out now and I won't be surprised to see Allen and Kanda go rouge (and possibly Lavi and Bookman, though on their own agenda).

Yes.

On Cross- I didn't know he used magic. @@
On Lavi- I don't beleive he's the heart. I think Allen and Lenalee are both the heart. Only they're Innocence has protected them from death. And I can provide an explanation on his eye. He got shot in the eye when he was little, so that's why he wears an eye patch. It's a small spoiler I read about.
I agree with you on the Noah Clan. It's all confusing.

On the 3rd side of the war- I don't doubt it. Kanda was made by and for the Order, so I don't believe he hates them. Allen might betray the Order.

Cross using magic:

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/128/11/

PLus he uses some spells on the akuma egg to delay the download while Allen figures out the piano.

I have to disagree about Lenalee and Allen being the Heart. The Innocenece is evolving, which is why Lenalee's becomes the first Crystal type weapon that fuses with her blood to draw power. Remember how she said that before the upgrade, her Dark Boots were always painful and heavy? Lavi, upon first meeting Allen, tells him that no matter how large he makes the hammer, it is light as a feather. His synch rate with his Innocence is seemingly much higher than Lenalee's was given both the ease with which he uses it and the power he holds (hard to say now as he hasn't battled with the hammer alongside of her new boots yet). Plus it has that beautiful paradox where as a Bookman he is not supposed to be attached to anything (on Anita's ship he says he has no need for a heart). Bookman wrns him after Lenalee's crystal upgrade not to synch any further with his Innocence, or they'll be forced to leave the Order to preserve their role an impartial observer. To me, this is totally setting him up to fulyl release his Innocenece and reveal that he is the Heart. Jsut my thoughts on it. :)

Ohhh.

Wait I don't recall that conversation at all. Then how would you explain Allen's Innocence protecting him? It brought him back to life. And I know someone, maybe it was Bookmnan, saying that Innocence had never done that before.

Here is the part about the Innocence evolving:

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/157/09/

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/157/10/

Bookman does say that the Innocence has never acted out before, but then after the discussion of Crystal type weapons, he also ponders why the Earl hasn't crushed the order yet, and hypothesizes that the Earl is letting the Order stay alive for a reason:

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/157/13/

I wonder if he's trying to force the Exorcists to expose the Heart to save him the trouble of looking for it? By forcing the Exorcists to fully release their Innocence like this? They've certainly set the stage for a bunch of power upgrades to take place. I, of course, am totally making guesses here. I'm very interested to see hat happens next!

Ohh.
It's been a while since I've read dgm. It went on hiatus and I got distracted.

I doubt it what would be in it for him?
I'm sorry I'm not very stimulating of a conversation, like I said it's been a while since I've read most of this.

Don't apologize. I am a total nerd who obsesses over manga far too much. ^_^

I think forcing the Order's hand will make things easier for the earl in his quest to destroy the Heart. Why keep searching for it all over the world when he can get the Exorcists to reveal it to him by leveling up? He's already got Allen and Lenalee on the radar now because of this. I'm sure we'll find out in due time. :)

Yeah but what would Bookman care about it? He's only there to watch.

Why would Bookman care about the evolution of the Innocence? I think it's probably simply because it's something interesting to record. If you mean why he cares about Lavi leveling up, it would make Lavi too close to the Innocence/the side of the Order to be impartial - they're already teetering on the line with that anyway masquerading as Exorcists. Is that what you were asking?

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rainbowhonda.livejournal.com - 2010-02-06 00:34 (UTC) - Expand

Makes me wonder how she plans on ending D.Gray-Man.

But we still love you, Hoshino! &hearts

I know this was written a while back, but there isn't actually a functioning eye under Lavi's eyepatch. I believe that it said in one of the fanbooks that while he and Bookman were observing a battle, Lavi was hit by a stray bullet in the eye, so that's why he ended up with a eyepatch.

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My guess is they grew him from a dead exorcist's DNA? Thinking they could increase the chances of him synching with the Innocence, and also allowing them to give him all sorts of cool superhuman abilities like recovery? I'm very curious to find out more.

I don't think Cross is dead either. I'm waiting for him to show up again and kick ass, probably after Allen and Kanda defect form the Order (this is my guess for the 3rd side to the war thing - that the Order's dark secrets will make Allen and some of the others go rouge and try to take hem down/reform).

It certainly isn't boring, and the unanswered questions make for great fanfic fodder. ^_^

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Hee, I think maybe it'll be more like the Order is the lesser of two evils, and they'll both be working against the Earl, but Allen and co. will not be showing support for the Order by going on their own. Totally a guess, though I wonder why else she would bother showing Allen Kanda's history like this (and he knows about Suman too).

*sorry! intruding!*

Ohh! A Howl icon! So pretty! *shiny eyes*

*skips off*

I'm with you on Cross being missing, but not dead. Allen, on many occasions as the gang are headed towards Edo, comments that it would take something pretty huge to kill Cross, and even then he's not sure. Also, am I the only one who thinks that he shot HIMSELF??? I have a theory about his mask....

I also have a theory, given this latest issue, that Cross bound Maria up in her grave to prevent her from being used as material for 2nd Apostles like Kanda. Back when she first showed up, they said that she used to be an Exorcist, but she died, and through Magic he keeps her zombified and able to access her Innocence.

My guess is that he's something else entirely--neither Human nor Noah, and that taking on the mask was part of what Cross promised to the 14th before he died. MAN, I miss him!

I'd wondered about him shooting himself and maybe trying to break the bond with his Innocence for some important but yet unknown reason? I wonder about the mask too (can I hear your theory pwease?).

You have to wonder about Maria. What made her so special that he would go through the trouble of using magic like that, especially when it's implied that it's totally taboo to do so?

Cross fangirls, yes? He is so awesome. XD

Wow, I didn't think people could be so confused about this... :/

The only point I didn't like of the actual arc, is exactly the beginning. Too abrupt, like it had no connection with the story before this one.
I've been confused with Hoshino's style since the Timothy arc. The reunited Noah party with all the mess around Alma Karma, it's like it has nothing to do with old times. Don't know how to explain.

BTW, I'm very happy to know FINALLY Kanda's past. I didn't expect all this drama, not this much, but I'm "enjoying?" (suffering with) it and can't wait for more explanations.

In the other hand, for sure I miss Miranda, Lavi, Timothy, and the rest of the people in the HQ (well, I don't miss Lenalee at all...). But for now we're in the middle of something that was necessary to know, so please, just wait and be patience.

Cross isn't dead, he's just doing things in his usual way...

I agree about the change in style/story direction. I hope she is able to tie it all in together for us soon, but Yay! Kanda backstory! :D

I find it amusing that Kanda's backstory is taking up four/five chapters when even Allen only had approximately one chapter to his backstory.

N-not that I really, really mind. Only a bit. Because little!Kanda is too darn cute.

hehe. Frankly there are several characters that I am dying to find out more about in this way, so I'm going to remain hopeful that next we will get 4-5 chapters of little Lavi? XD We have learned a fair amount about Allen. Granted it hasn't been in chunks like this one, but we know a lot more about him and his past than we do the others.

I hope so, too. I also want more Lavi. :)

I miss my beansprout and my rabbit, though I am a Kanda fan. >_<
Allen's arc with the 14th issue isnt even over yet! DXXXXX

For this chapter (I've already posted it on another thread, but I guess I can recycle! YAY!), I think Kanda has always disliked Allen so much because now I see that he reminds him (Kanda) of Alma (the cheery disposition, trying to save Kanda, being selfless, etc....), so that makes a little bit of sense, right? I don't know who the lady is, though (although I thought they said it was Fou already. I guess not....?)

At the beginning of the chapter it looked like Alma was going to die at the end of the arc, so it would make sense that Kanda thinks Allen being so self-sacrificing is an idiot move, because Alma died that way, but... Is Alma the one who's taking over their minds... I'm still a bit confused about what's going on *has been WAY out of the loop until a few days ago*

Fou was the one showing up for all the tests subjects. She has been there as a guardian deity for a long time, as you recall. She's even been vaguely shown as a shaky hologram when Alma was crying. Kanda was talking about a completely different lady, which Alma couldn't see.

Okay, impromptu cage match, Kanda vs. Allen, right now. Winner had the worst childhood ever.

Meanwhile, I'll be over there, fangirling Marie even more. T~T

Geez, let's see.

On the one hand we have Alln, who was abandoned for being disfigured, traveled with a circus, then was picked up by a clown, who by the way, was actualy lthe brother to the that betrayed the Millenium Earl and was actually prepping Allen because, well we know why. Then Mana dies and Allen calls him back and gets cursed by him, which has to be pretty freaking traumatizing. And on that note: Marian Cross. XD "nuff said.

Then we have Kanda, who appears to have been grown in a vat using the DNA of an expired exorcist. He gets experimented on daily, suffers hallucination and painful tests. Gets sentenced to be froezen/killed and ends up somehow back in the same Order that created and tortured him all his young life.

It's a tough call, but I'm going to make a choice and say Kanda because while Allen certaily had a lot to be angry and/or sad about, he seemed to have some happy memories buried in there as well. He got to travel the world, learn lots of cool things, and experience a bit of life. Kanda only knew the basement of the lab until (I assume) he became an exorcist himself and began exterminating akuma.

How did I do? XD (Izumi pwns, btw - we totally were not discussing what would happen if she and Cross were to ever meet)

yes, i also believe kanda's past is worse.
Don't get me wrong, allen's past was pretty horrific but yeah, i feel a tad bit more for kanda.
i actually like how this story is turning out,we get a backstory on kanda but also learn more about the order. yeay, for katsura hoshino-sensei!
After recent chapters, i've come to adore alma, he's so bright and cheery for someone who experiences such horrors. he acts like a kid in such a horrible situation and to me that's amazing yet infinitely tragic when we see what has become of him.

"(Izumi pwns, btw - we totally were not discussing what would happen if she and Cross were to ever meet)"

OMG that would be totally awesome, i bet Cross would be like wow. X )
Then no one would be calling Lenalee a 'strong woman',
i mean how can she even compare to Izumi sensei?!