Former events and recent events discussion

[riot-of-flowers.livejournal.com]

It is pretty much obvious that D.Gray-Man's manga is reaching its end, especially taking in consideration what has taken place in the latest chapter and all the jazz that has been played so far.

Well, today, after overdosing myself with ice-cream to lose coherence to make some indecent fanfiction, I recalled a few things that took place long ago in the manga and tried to sort out some things of the recent chapter.


I recall that at some point of the manga, near the attack of the Headquarters and when the Akuma level 4 showed up, our adorable evil mustache man, Leverrier told Hevlaska she was a "kinslayer", that she had destroyed her own kin.

Was it mentioned how she killed them or why?


I recall as well that at Timothy's arch a level 4 akuma showed up. Weren't they rare and never existed one before? Why suddenly there were more?


In the spanish side of this fandom, long ago, a great fanfiction author said that it was obvious that the 14th was Allen and that he was going to steal the Earl's position. If anyone sees her, because she hasn't updated that much, ask her if she is not Hoshino or something. She guessed it last year, more or less in April.

Anyways, considering that Allen is "The destroyer of time" and that Kanda sees a clock, it might be possible that the loved person (if you are a fangirl of their pairing, love in a couple like way; if you are not a fangirl of that pairing, love in a friends like way) Allen might end killing will be Kanda.

But why does Kanda see lotus flowers everywhere? Do you have any theory about it? Is Alma trying to tell him something or is a side effect of being an experiment?


Although Cross was shot and presumed to be dead, his body was never found. There's a chance he might be alive. If he was alive, do you think he would show up afterwards in the upcoming chapters?


Also, if you have any theories about the latest chapter's late pages or the chapter overall it would be nice to hear them (I love theories <3).


And has anyone seen that robot that used to pop up every now and then at the beginning of the manga? I kind of miss that guy too.


My sincere apologies for all the grammatical horrors (awful language barriers) and the sheer amount of silliness

Comments

[hakasha.livejournal.com]

(my god I don't want DGM to end.... but I know what happens in the end at the same time. I feelz conflicted.)

I don't believe it was ever mentioned how or why Hevlaska destroyed her own kin. I don't think that what exactly Hevlaska is (besides being some sort of Exorcist) has been revealed yet either. (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken).
Hevlaska is so big and all, and she seems unable to move from that one spot... I wonder if it all began with some sort of several "little Hevlaska-like" beings... and then one of them absorbed the rest and grew and became Hevlaska? (does this even sound plausible? I'd never thought about Hevlaska before, I just came up with this right now...)

Considering the level 4s, and even level 3s and 2s, I think the whole thing is a bit strange. I mean, at the beginning of DGM, during the Doll arc, I think it was the first time the Exorcists met a level 2... or at least it was Allen's first time meeting one (again, correct me if I'm mistaken!) which is kinda weird: after all that travelling with Cross, all they found were Level 1s? Then Level 3s appeared, and everyone was in an uproar about how "oooh, Akumas with a higher level!" and then the whole thing with the level 4 akuma. How can all these new, higher levelled akumas only appear now if this war has been going on for such a really long time? How come they only start evolving now if akumas have existed for years?

To me, the only thing that could explain this would be if all the higher levelled akumas have been being kept in Japan, and so even level 4s have existed for a really long time, only no one has known about it. I guess it could explain how all of a sudden there are a bunch of level 4s that seem to have appeared out of nowhere.

wow, someone who guess about Allen and the 14th and the 14th's intentions?? wow.

Allen killing Kanda? Hmmm. I think that is possible, but not because of that theory. I support the whole [Millenium Earl = "time"] + [Allen="destroyer of time"] = [Allen kills Earl] theory... so if Allen happens to kill Kanda, it will be because the 14th considers Kanda a threat, or because Kanda goes berserk and tries to kill someone from the Order and Allen has to stop him.

After reading this new chapter, I still don't have a proper theory about Kanda and the tattoo and the lotus flowers...
First, I've always thought that Kanda (and more recently, Alma) were normal children the Order picked up and experimented on. Even when lots of people were going on about how Kanda was "an artificially created human" I still agreed with the people that believed that he was just a normal human with a bunch of experiments on top. After chap. 188, I began seriously doubting that conviction of mine, but after this new chapter 189 I think I'm back to believing he was a normal human child before the whole trouble with the Order. Then he was just "reborn" as Yuu Kanda, the Artificial Disciple.
Second, I'm not sure if Kanda sees that many lotuses all the time. Maybe it's just that one lotus in his room and then the amount of lotuses he sees depends on, I don't know, how close he is to Alma? Or on how close he is to places where he used to hang out with Alma (as in, he sees more lotuses when he's in the China branch or something...)? Or maybe the number of flowers he sees just varies randomly for no reason?
(...maybe I'm just trying to think of a possibility where Kanda doesn't see every surface around him covered in flowers because that would be depressing and I really don't want poor Kanda to have been suffering that all this time...)

[hakasha.livejournal.com]

Now, after seeing Alma, Kanda said that's not him. While I keep hoping that he'll say something like, "I killed him, and his soul's gone, so even though that's his body, the Alma I knew is dead." there's also the possibility that he simply can't remember.
If that's the case, Rhode said something like, "is it because of that woman who made you cut him?"
So maybe (maybe! I'm not sure I like this theory...) that woman is the woman Kanda has been looking for, because she made him attack Alma, and maybe she's responsible for the tattoo and all the lotuses, and she also made him forget about Alma, but he still remembers her and that she did something to him, so Kanda's been looking for her all this time?

Another thing. About who Allen is supposed to kill when he becomes the 14th: I've always been wondering if the person (or people) that would be killed would be people who Allen himself loved (like, people from the Order, fellow Exorcists, someone from his past) or someone who the 14th, now using Allen, loved (and that would mean his Noah relatives). ...After this new chapter, I'm thinking both. If the 14th became the new Earl, he'd create akuma, I suppose? And those akuma would kill the Exorcists and people at the Order, no? And to become the Earl, he'd have to kill the Earl himself and probably quite a few of the other Noahs, no?

And I wonder... what are the 14th's motives to become the Earl? He wants power? He wants control? Or.... he wants to save the world? Since he'd be the one with the power to bring about the destruction of the world, he could choose not to do it and that would be it.

So far, I've always thought that the 14th is the real good guy of the story (if there is one... there's no such thing as a world of black and white; everything is varying shades of gray. It's a matter of whether people are darker or lighter) and both the Order and the Noahs are the bad guys. which would make the 14th's side the rumoured "3rd side of this war"... but now I'm sort of doubting that. Not because of what the 14th said about wanting to become the new Earl, but because of that crazed face he had when he said it. Looks a bit too insane to mean anything good, haha.


I think.... Cross is still alive. Somehow. And if he's still alive, then there's a reason for the whole thing, so he must show up at some point in later chapters.

The robot? You mean Komui's crazy Komurins? I think he's been too busy to worry about creating new versions of Komurin... even though that moment when Allen charms the Komurin into sacrificing itself for them shall forever remain of the most epic moments in DGM for me xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Allen's so sexy he can even seduce robots! xDDDDD

and, huh, guess that's all. if I had any of my facts mistaken, do correct me. and if any of my stupid ideas/theories don't make sense, just go ahead and tell me. xD

[sky]

I don't think that what exactly Hevlaska is (besides being some sort of Exorcist) has been revealed yet either. (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken).

It was heavily implied that Hevlaska was probably once human, and a member of the Rouvelier family -- namely, the "holy girl" they first offered up as a sacrifice to the Order.

[sky]

Leverrier told Hevlaska she was a "kinslayer", that she had destroyed her own kin. Was it mentioned how she killed them or why?

It seems fairly certain he was talking about her involvement in the artificial disciple experiments that created all those Fallen Ones -- we were also told somewhere around the same time that one of the Rouvelier family's duties had been to give up many of their own family members as experimental test subjects. I doubt Hevlaska directly killed anyone, but by willingly allowing herself to be used in the experiments, she became complicit. This seems to be why Malcolm hates her so much.

the loved person [...] Allen might end killing will be Kanda.

Fandom seems all set on believing that 大事な人間 refers to only one person, but the Japanese says nothing about singular or plural. I still personally think Cross's intended meaning was more along the lines of "when you turn into a Noah you're going to end up killing people you care about".

[hakasha.livejournal.com]

It seems fairly certain he was talking about her involvement in the artificial disciple experiments that created all those Fallen Ones -- we were also told somewhere around the same time that one of the Rouvelier family's duties had been to give up many of their own family members as experimental test subjects. I doubt Hevlaska directly killed anyone, but by willingly allowing herself to be used in the experiments, she became complicit. This seems to be why Malcolm hates her so much.

Ah yes, that makes much more sense. *nods, nods* And what you said about her having been "once human, and a member of the Rouvelier family -- namely, the "holy girl" they first offered up as a sacrifice to the Order." too. Yes, makes things much clearer, thank you. ^^

[riot-of-flowers.livejournal.com]

It might be so, it makes so much sense <3 Perhaps she was a member of Leverrier's family, the "holy girl" he spoke about in the same chapters. But if he hated her for becoming a complicit, does Leverrier hate the Order as the rest?

Ah, I wasn't aware about the singular or plural issue with japanese, it could be then that he will go on a mad killing spree instead of sacrificing just one person. It makes things much different.

*hugs tightly*

[bodyline.livejournal.com]

...Is the manga really heading towards its end now? I mean, I certainly don't see it going on and on, at least not too much longer, but at the same time this really doesn't feel like the start of a final arc to me.

[riot-of-flowers.livejournal.com]

It looked to me as if it was about to finish, not now but quite quite soon. I cannot see Allen returning to the Order now, neither Kanda and with this gathering it looks as if it was the very final showdown.

Perhaps there will be more chapters with fights and such but not much, considering hoshino is tying ends in a fast pace, I cannot see another arc after this one, what will it be about?

*hugs*

[twentyfiveraven.livejournal.com]

About the Level 4 akuma: What happened with the Level 4 seems to be what happened to the preceding levels of akuma--after its initial development it showed up again more frequently. The best theory I can come up with is that after an akuma/akuma evolves naturally and progresses to the next stage, it acts as a catalyst for the Earl to create them more frequently. He does create their -forms- (I believe this was mentioned way back in the Vampire of the Castle arc when Eliade stated that the Earl "made" her, and even before that, the Mana flashbacks). The best analogy I can come up with is one between an original handcraftsman (the akuma naturally evolving) and a factory(The Millennium Earl). If that makes any kind of sense.

As for Kanda's lotus flowers (and the tattoo on his chest as well), I always considered that more symbolic than anything else--I myself thought it was a connotation for a more Eastern religion. I never thought of the flowers themselves as a cue for anything, though I kind of like that theory; I thought of them as yet another indication of Kanda's apparently dwindling lifespan.

Cross is not dead! I...have no proof, other than it is a total trope for the wise mentor to "die" and then come back again and Cross is way too awesome to die ♥ . I do think he anticipated his death, therefore, I think he avoided it. Because. He's that awesome. xD

DO YOU MEAN 65? :O I can't even remember the last time I saw that thing...

While we're discussing how DGM is going to conclude: (T.T)

Did we ever find out what's under Lavi's eyepatch? I could have sworn Hoshino-sensei said that she was going to address that...

[orchida.livejournal.com]

Did we ever find out what's under Lavi's eyepatch? I could have sworn Hoshino-sensei said that she was going to address that...

Yep, that was said. Back in the old character bio pages, when it came to Lavi's it was explained that if the manga went on long enough all will be revealed. Which is why I still think we have a bit to go, there seems a whole lot more to explain and learn about.

Or I'll be one really pissed person. I want a Lavi background and conclusion. We still haven't ever been told who the heart is either...

[riot-of-flowers.livejournal.com]

Yup! 65 was quite cute <3 I remembered him the other day with a Family Walker doujin in which little Aren asked Kanda to accompany him to the bathroom because there might be ghosts around and the ghost was of 65. After the first mission I didn't see him ever again, perhaps he was transferred somewhere else.

hakasha's alternative theory said that being there so many akumas at Japan, level 4s could be stored waiting for the Earl to release them, so now they are showing up because the exorcists are stronger and more in quantity.

Ah, that tattoo, I had forgotten about it (as if I could, it's huge and on top of the eyecandy XDDD!). Now you made me think about it... In the newest chapter it was said that Kanda was the one who was killed, could it be that the tattoo is actually locking Alma's soul within Kanda? It has to have some relationship to the fact it was said "Kanda died" and that at the end of the newest chapter Kanda is inside that pond.

Perhaps Alma gave his soul to him (well, Alma is soul in Spanish, it could be, perhaps) to save his beloved friend.

And we still don't know what is under that eyepatch and I think she said it.

I'm unsure if the manga is coming to its end but the fast pace is picturing me that idea.

*hugs*

[saave.livejournal.com]

I think there are a lot of things left unsaid, like Who is Maria? and How is Cross such a powerful sorcerer?

Why's Mana look similar to the Earl? Derp.

What's up with Lavi? Does he have an eye? What's his real name? CAN WE HAS BACKSTORY PLZ.

D.Gray-Man's losing it's 19th Century charm, and I'm really disappointed.

[saave.livejournal.com]

Nevermind where the hell is Cross, too.

& It feels like Hoshino's running too fast and screwing up the manga a bit. I mean, I love her - I love it, but it feels as if she could've worked to stabilize this new Arc a bit better. It's sort of getting random, with the comedy and the vague references to "that woman" or "that time" or "that magical place you touched me in" and I'm sad. ): I loved the old school feel from the mid-points in the manga.

[enemytosleep]

It is my theory the Lavi has the Heart of all Innoecnce. Because it's an awesome paradox and would mean much drama when faced with his role as a Bookman.

I am dying to find out about all of the loose ends and see more backstory on Lavi and Kanda (and Lenalee too).

[xdark-faex.livejournal.com]

^_^ This is one of my fave theories too.

[amelia-seyroon.livejournal.com]

Poor Hoshino must want her series to end since she's suffered all those minor injuries that halted the D.Gray-Man manga production. D:

maybe its just me but...

[(Anonymous)]

i dont think this arc is actually going that fast. i mean i think i picked up a bit weridly, but other then that it feels like its moving at a pretty decent pace, like i know a lot of stuff is being revealed but its mostly about Kandas backstory, and that slight mention of the 14ths intentions(which i wanna believe isnt as evil as it seems >>;).And theres still a whole wide world of things to be explained, and maybe im being overly opptimistic,but i think Hoshino will go into them cuz this doesnt feel like the end,regardless of what that little magizine text said.XP And before in went on haitus it looked like it was going to go into Kanda's back story anyway,so its not that big a leap.

And if anything all the translations are slightly awkward(no offense to anyone who does them,just the ones ive read really kinda are)so that could atribute to it to.






and i was right,the earl and the 14th were totally banging before this whole thing 'ima kill you and take you place' thing went down. >>;

[kara-angitia.livejournal.com]

I think the manga is FAR from ending. The story is just fast paced at the moment because the Earl was forced to act by the 14th's "Good Morning." and like many people have said before Hoshino is still adjusting to a new schedule. Also, bare in mind we've been jerked around a lot by hiatuses and the like, I don't know about you but its upset my inner-clock a bit when following the story :P. I also remember A LOT of people thought the manga was coming to an end during the Ark Arc, and we all saw how that turned out :P

We still have so much to cover. The Bookman Clan(which Hoshino herself said were KEY to the plot of DGM) the Third Side of the war, The Heart, the actual reason for the 3 Days of Darkness, Central, what the Earl/14th/Whoever goals are(cos it's not so clear anymore), what Innocence and Dark Matter ACTUALLY ARE. SO SO MUCH.

It looks to me that Allen and Kanda will probably leave the Order which will take the manga in a whole new direction! A very interesting one!

[cattheterrible.livejournal.com]

That makes me feel like it'll end up like the last Harry Potter book. :P "Allen Walker and the Extended Camping Trip."

The Kanda/Allen shippers have enough fodder already, lately. :'C

*rp account for the fail*

[consummatebard.livejournal.com]

I think what Leverier was stating is that Hevleska was a member of the Leverrier family, and by inserting Innocence into members of her family's bodies (like she was ordered to, to try and create exorcists) she killed them.

No idea about who Allen's going to kill at all.

Level 4s had never been known *previous* to the attack on HQ, but it makes sense that after the attack (AKA Timmothy's ark) a few more had appeared.

Cross *has* to show up again. My inner fangirl demands it. Plus he's just so damn central to the whole plot... If he were to just die and not come back, it would be pointless. Plus Komui said the amount of blood found was enough to kill a *human*, and as shown in the Ark ark (with Cross transforming back from being a Skull) the man is *probably* not human. Personally I think he's gone undercover as one of the Earl's skulls again. Possibly.

Re: *rp account for the fail*

[main-titles.livejournal.com]

Also want to point out that Cross seems to not age.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anyones gonna bail on the order. I know Allen turned into the 14th in front of Levvirre(sp >>;) and everyone but I think thats just going to make things more awkward and they're going to have a tighter lease on him and thats about it. (maybe its cuz i'm not a Yullen shipper but I don't think Allen and Kanda would actually be willing to run away together ^^;) And Kanda didn't seem drastically upset by the fact that the order kept Alma being alive from him,I think he actually did the opposite and he tried to hide any feelings he had about the situation when he told the noah that he didnt recognize Alma.

[chibi-killua.livejournal.com]

i just wish that DGM will not end soon.. i know it lost it's charm and all but still, the story is still interesting.

Who knows? Allen might just kill the earl and end up being the villain of the story?

[andykg.livejournal.com]

(if you are a fangirl of their pairing, love in a couple like way

Kanda finally got his revenge on Road for kissing Allen. XDD

(Sorry, I'm to sleepy right now to think seriously about thoeries... >.>)

*suddenly notices something* ¡SOS ARGENTINA! *_*

[(Anonymous)]

Allen is called "the Destroyer of time", what if this doesn't mean the Earl but someone else?
Miranda's innocence is time based, so it could be her to...

Also could Miranda be the heart?
Her innocence is the only non-offencive innocence in the story so far.
Allen's and Lenalee's innocence are the only innocence that has shown a form of free will, this happened after they met Miranda and came in contact with her unrestrained innocence (When it was still a clock).

[cherryredroses.livejournal.com]

oo interesting, i hv nvr rlly thought about this.
i just hope it's not lenalee!!! if not it's too cliche.

[wolferian.livejournal.com]

I never really saw anything really symbolic in Kanda's not remembering... I just thought of it as really self-denial. Here's his childhood friend or whatever, that he thinks he, you know, KILLED, and suddenly, BAM HE'S ALIVE. That would be pretty shocking to anyone, don't you think?

Well, I saw one person role playing that Kanda had this power to see lotuses when someone was about to die... Though, I personally really like the theory that they're connected to Alma in some way.

As for him being Japanese, I don't think it's really possible that he's much older than we think he is, seeing as Leverrier or whatever knew, and unless he's older too, then I don't see how...

As for the robot, I miss him too. ;________; 65, or 69 or something.
Sob.
Such a cute little ghost.

[cherryredroses.livejournal.com]

i also think there's a chance that mana is earl!!
he had noah's logo on him!!