dgray_man | Speculation

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It's hard to be patient, often! :P

Those are actually some really interesting theories~!
I'd hack up a lung laughing at the reactions to everyone in the series if it was Cross, that'd be amazing ♥.
The Lavi & Komui theories are really quite awesome, I'd actually never considered them to be the heart before....Hmm (mind goes into overload at the possibilities.)

I'd imagined the heart would be Allen or Lenalee but it kinda seems a bit too obvious :|

I was disappointed before because I thought for certain it'd end up being Allen or Lenalee, but like everyone said too obvious, and the way the Earl was talking about it, it seems that the entire time he knew exactly who the heart was. Also, in terms of the files, he did have pictures with Allen, and Cross, as threats.

I'll only be WTFery if it ends up being someone like Johnny.

I have a feeling they're trying to make it like its Allen and Lenalee, but then they might drop the bomb and have a Noah be one XD Anything could happen~ If that makes sense.

You know, there's a possibility that it could be Komui~ *evilness*

I've really been intrigued with the Komui idea for quite some time, but also the idea of it being a Noah is just wow.

I think it'd be interesting also if some of the exorcists became Noah, like Allen or Komui (because really.. the cover of vol 7? Freaky.)

I really thought that that was Tyki - cover volume 7. Until someone pointed out that it was Komui.

I do have high hopes for him. He's just.... I don't know, there is something really weird and too perfect about him. He must be hiding something. Perhaps Komui would awaken as a Noah XD

You know there might be a possibility that Allen would turn Noah - it's happened before, where one of the main characters turned evil or something - I'll use Sasuke from Naruto as an example~

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Yeah I'm also on the Lavi and Komui backwagon as well..And Lavi does have potential for power as he has'nt fully understand the seals yet..

And allen's already the musician..i think it's overkill for him to have the heart as well (tho' that in itself could be the exact reason)

I think it could be Lenalee because its a good twist and defies that main character = the ultimate chosen one. If it does, then that makes it two times in the history of mankind where the "chosen one" wasn't the main character.

Yeah I'd really love it if Lavi had the heart, cos of the whole "bookmen don't have hearts" and all that - he'd be in such trouble with Bookman HAHA I sorta hope it's not Linilli or Allen (but only to an extent) cos that would be sortof dull, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. ^^

I'm hoping it isn't Allen, because he's already the Destroyer of Time and a Controller. It would just be overload. I'd be fine with it being Linali. Although that would be pretty predictable, there's been setup for it and it wouldn't be totally random. So at this point, I think that it's Linali.

If the Heart is Innocence, I doubt it's Komui. I rather hope he's not an Excorcist, because the Science Department (and Asian Branch) are already so awesome that they don't need supernatural powers. :3 I don't know, I like that there are non-superpowered civilians helping out the Exorcists.

My theory is that the Heart is the glowy thing that Jasdero wears on his headband.

"glowy thing that Jasdero wears on his headband" - Love it. :P

It's so obvious!

/sarcasm

AND WAIT FOR THE PLOT TWIST

WE DISCOVER AT THE VERY END OF THE SERIES THAT JASDERO IS REALLY THE 14TH WHO'S THE REAL ALLEN WALKER, DEBITT IS TRULY LENALEE, AND THAT WHO WE PERCEIVE TO BE ALLEN AND LENALEE REALLY ARE AKUMAS TRAINED BY THE EARL HIMSELF TO DANCE AND SING TO THE MEXICAN HAT DANCE!

LOL I've been wanting to write a fanfiction where Jasdero becomes convinced he's the's 14th Noah and the Earl wants to kill him. YOU'RE PSYCHIC

AND THAT'S WHY DEVIT AND LINALI HAVE THE SAME HAIR AND HE THREATENS TO RAPE HER and I'm so confused.

No, obviously the Earl will have gathered all the Noahs at a meeting, and he'l be like "So, we're still looking for the Heart" and Jasdero will be like, "Oh, you mean this?" and hand it over. And the series ends. :(

YOU DISCOVER DEBITT AND LENALEE REALLY ARE THE TWINS SO THEN IT'S TWINCEST! .... AGAIN!

XDDDDD Jasdero was adopted!? Or...is Linali the female clone of Devit? But wait, if you factor in Komui...

CLEARLY DEVIT IS THE MALE CLONE OF LINALI, CREATED BY KOMUI SO THAT A RACE OF LINALIS WILL POPULATE THE EARTH. (Jasdero is the failed clone from the first experiment.)

Poor Dero. Or is it Dolly? Badomche~

CLONES 1 AND 2 BECAME FRIENDS AND WERE KIDNAPPED BY THE EARL AND THEY HAPPENED TO BE NOAHS AND KOMUI WAS SENT INTO COUNSELING BY REEVER BECAUSE OF ALL HIS SISTER AND CLONING ISSUES BUT HE BROKE OUT OF COUNSELING IN A GIANT ROBOT the end.

I have to go to bed now. D:

Brava!~ ILU.

Maybe it's just because I'm a fangirl, but I like to think the "Heart" is Miranda. My reasoning is that her Innocence is *so* unique in what it can do. Seriously, compare the Time Record to any other Innocence. All of the others are offensive weapons, while Miranda's is currently strictly defense. Not to mention when you think of the word "heart", you think of mercy, compassion, love, etc. Miranda's ability to defend goes along with that pretty well. Also, the "Heart" would probably want to be an Innocence that isn't put into immediate danger, and isn't completely obvious. While all Innocence are put in danger, Miranda's is usually defended by several others with offensive capabilities so she doesn't get killed and so they can continue to fight with no/less injuries. And then, you'd expect the "Heart" to be extremely kickass and strong, but Miranda's seems weak at first, which would make it less suspicious.

...or maybe my mind is just fabricating reasons for Miranda to deserve more screen/panel time =/

That's one I've never heard before. Oooh.

I don't think there's been any implication of Miranda having the heart, but I agree that it would be really cool. Her personality does seem to fit with the idea of the Heart and the Heart being hidden. She seems to have a lot of affection for her Innocence too, while the other Exorcists don't necessarily feel that close to theirs. Besides, it would be more interesting than Allen or Linali having it.

Maybe it's Lau Jimmin! I mean, seriously, what better twist than having a demonic monkey end up being the Heart! :D

Monkeys are the devil, clearly the monkey can't be the Heart. Obciously Miranda has the Heart! But Jasdero borrowed part of it and stuck it on his headband. All Miranda has to do is go ask for it back!

I second this nomination! It's an idea I've toyed with before, but never really thought could have serious weight (same with Crowley, who has been sadly missing from the last few chapters ;_;) About Miranda's screentime in general, I almost like that she is a back lines Excorcist who is nonetheless integral to how battles are currently fought, and that the Order recognizes this. To add on to what you've said, it was a nice touch to see the latest battle plan explicitly include orders to protect Miranda - not because she needs protection as a weak person (whatever her physical stats), but because, just as much with Allen or Cross, if they lost Miranda they lose the battle. It was a subtle twist on the most important players being at the front and center trope.

But yeah, I wish she'd get more face time in the lighter chapters, too :/

You know how Crowly used his blook to fight JasDevi? Doesn't that allready mean he's a sort of crystl type?? but maybe parisite types cant become crystle types? I duno ^^

Now I really, really want Miranda to be the Heart.

I'd love the series if Lavi was the heart >.>
Allen already has a looooot of powers and so, and if he's the heart it'd be overrated!
But I guess they will end up with a stupid surprise, maybe...why not? If things go really crazy, Chaoji will end up being the heart 8D
But I support the Jasdero band thing being the heart :D

W00t!

I would love for Miranda to be the Heart. Her Innocence controls time, and if Allen is meant to destroy time maybe she's supposed to restore it?

Oh and (shameless self promotion ^_~ ) I'm writing a fanfiction 'World Enough and Time' with that idea...

The other choice (and I can't believe no one has thought of this yet)...
Timcampy! He's a very odd, self aware little golem. Wouldn't that be perfect?

PS - This is off topic but how do you put the little hearts into comments? I want to use it for the Earl's dialogue in my fic!

I am lame, and don't know other than copying and pasting them. :/ But somewhere it should say. I know it's like &&heart or something similar.

♥ -> & h e a r t s ;

Just take out the spaces. ^__~

Someone over on D Gray Divinity threw out the random observation that the Heart could be Bookman because he seems to know a hell of a lot, and he's determined to hide himself and Lavi.

However, I think she was just being silly; I really don't think that Bookman is the Heart.

Personally? I think it's Cross, if the Heart's conformer KNOWS that he has the Heart; look what he's doing -- he's basically trying to distract the Earl and everyone else with thinking that the Heart is Allen or Lenalee.

With every new chapter I'm more and more convinced, but realle, it's just a theory I've made myself believe in.

I think the heart is Rabi, it's just... fitting, y'know.

What about Kanda? He's got the perfect personality to have the heart, right? *lol*

I would actually oppose the theory of Rabi being the "bearer of the heart" - In the Ark incident Kanda, Crowley, Rabi and Chaoji were, for a certain amount of time, gone / dead because of the download. Technically speaking, if one of them had the heart, the other Innocences would have been disabled until Allen reversed the download. That would be logical, but maybe they weren't really dead just... uh trapped in some in-between world. Then Rabi (or Kanda!!!) would be nice.

While the Earl hinted that the bearer of the heart is aware of his Innocence being the heart, I do not think that anyone we know of would withhold such crucial information.

I'd say the Innocence is either an exorcist who just had a boost (Linali, Allen, Crowley, Chaoji - even though I exclude the lst two because of the above mentioned theory) or someone who is aware of having Innocence but is no exorcist yet... Of course, everyone could be it, because Hoshino could surprise us.

Well, just to think about more conspiracy; if anyone really knows much about Innocence and the heart I would rather suggest Cross and Leverrier (Komui doesn't know as much as they do). So... Uh... While I don't think Leverrier qualifies as being the heart, what about his dear little minion, Link? He's clearly suspicious (with his secret mission and his ability to withstand the Lv. 4's "cry", and he's quite strong... XD ) Of course, with Allen being my favourite character I would still prefer him over anybody else...

Uh... Long comment... Scary...

Ooh, I didn't think of the deleted-and-therefore-all-deactivated point. Good call.

Oh, the Komui theory's interesting; I never would have thought of him at all, but it would be nice to see him become more important. (Poor Komui, constantly living in the shadow of his little sister. Although then again, I suppose he might be happier that way.)

As quite a few people have mentioned above, Miranda would be an interesting choice, and it's true that her power is very unique. If you think about it, Miranda would make a very good "hiding place" for the Heart. Because she doesn't really have offensive powers, she's less likely to be on the frontlines of any given fight than, say, Kanda is, meaning that the Heart's relatively safe if she has it. I think that both sides have minimized the significance of having power over time, and this is made possible by her personality. You would think that everyone's reaction to someone who can stop/reverse time, even temporarily, would be "She must be really important." But she falls so easily into a supportive instead of active role that they just look right through her. Anyway, I think she deserves more attention.

I'm really, really, hoping that it's not Allen. To be honest, I'm just sick of the constant speshulfulness that he's exuding that I don't want to see him given any more power. I find it extremely irritating when authors have to heap every unique ability possible on their protagonist; it just makes me think that they're not confident in their plot. D<

I would be extremely surprised if the Heart turned out to be Kanda or Crowley. Both of their Innocences take the form of some very obvious variety of weapon, and I can't help but think that that'd be a tad unoriginal for the most important Innocence of them all. Teeth and swords are such archetypical weapons that I would be surprised to see if either had a deeper meaning.

Cross would sort of annoy me for the same reasons as Allen. They're both just too special. Plus, Cross is an awesome guy on his own accord; I'd rather see that he got there on his own rather than because he's intrinsically "better" than everybody else. :/

I suspect that whatever Lenalee is, she's not the Heart. I'm not entirely sure why I feel that way; maybe it's just that at this point, it's just too obvious. Lavi's an interesting option. I'd never considered the possibility of him being the Heart, but I guess it would make some sense considering how carefully Bookman ferries him around.

If we're going to bring in underrated characters, then damn it, I want Reever to be the heart!

Mm, I personally think it's Lavi, though my opinion's far different from your friend's. Maybe it's just me, but... from the way they said it, the Heart just recently awakened. Someone might have had it for a while, but they didn't know it was the Heart until just now.

Consider: Back when Lavi first appeared, Hoshino said in his omake-profile that he was originally supposed to be the main character for another series she was doing. When you think in these terms, he was awfully... unspectacular... for an almost-main-character, even if the fans loved his comic-relief ways. He had two main moments to shine: the Krory arc earlier, and the game with Road in the Ark arc, and both were less than stellar. In the Krory arc, he shared the spotlight with Allen and Krory, and it was more of a character introduction than anything else. And later, while he won the game against Road, he didn't really kill/defeat her the way Kanda and Krory did Skin and Jasdebi, respectively, and he even needed to be sort-of rescued afterwards. And again, he didn't manage to even dent Tyki, after that, and fell into the chasm. And upon his return, he pretty much turned into comic relief again.

But that's not really a good reason to judge this, I'll admit. That's just why I thought it might be him in the first place.

If you remember, when Allen restored the Ark... Lavi was the only one who really paid attention to his Innocence. Kanda had Mugen's hilt, and Krory had his blood returned (or so we would assume), but Lavi sat there looking at his Innocence, and because even more cheerful and humorous than he was before... well, before a lot of things. Actually, this might just be my opinion, but he pretty much reverted to the way he was when Allen first met him. A little (a lot) less aloof, though.

My theory is that that's when the Heart awakened. And who better to hide it than someone whose entire personality is just a mask?

And, again, this is just grasping at straws, but Bookman and Lavi were the only Exorcists shown in the latest chapter, weren't they? And, I mean, sure, it makes sense for them to read about a war... but it's not a historical war. They're just reading the newspaper, something any of the characters could have done. It might possibly be a small reminder that they're there, and just a little foreshadowing. Maybe, anyway.

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I dunno. I really don't think it can be Komui, the main reason being that he is not and has never been an Exorcist. As nice as it would be, I really, really doubt he could be a secret Exorcist no one knows about, considering their track record for finding Exorcists.

...And considering he's related to Lenalee. We knew before that when they were doing experiments that created the Fallen, they were using people related to Exorcists. And while they've stopped that, they would definitely have investigated all the Exorcists' family members. As Lenalee is an Exorcist and Komui is in the Order, I don't think he would have been able to escape that check.

And, again, this goes off my interpretation that the Heart had just awoken -- so Komui wouldn't have had any reason to hide it before, if he had been compatible.

I like the Idea of Lavi being the heart, if only for the fact that I don't want it to be Allen or Lenalee. A friend of mine proposed the fact that the heart is made up of the combined Innocence of Allen and Lenalee, a theory I dislike because it puts both characters together in an overly shippy way. It doesn't seem to farfetched for him to become or be seen as the heart, he is a main character afterall and one that we see alot. I'm not sure how I'd explain that he'd fit into the whole heart role. It just seems to oddly fitting...........

I greatly enjoy the idea of Komui being the heart. Because ever since I began the series I've been waiting for him to burst heroically onto the scene and be all big and shiny like he deserves. It's just a shame that the characters I love most are usually ignored. I just have a huge feeling that pretty soon Komui's going to really be important. I would die if he ever became and exorcist or fighter, any role bigger than the one he has now. And it would be a happy death of fangirlish glee.

I think the heart is a new character that hasn't been introduced yet. But whether that is true or not I think that it's neither exorcist or Noah but a neutral party that the Noah are trying to get on their side.

Allen, Lenalee, and everyone else are just probably threats but most likely nothing more.

On the side of Komui being the Heart. Next choice: Lavi.

Komui can't be the heart, he doesn't even have Innocence. Besides, I think that would cheapen his character if he suddenly became an Exorcist. If he was a compatible user, surely they would have known it by now! It would be too cliched if he suddenly became one, or was revealed as one.

Lavi being the Heart would be deliciously ironic! The one who isn't supposed to have a heart is the Heart? That's great. That would make him the most important Exorcist to the Order, and he would definitely have to make a choice then. (Though, would this be too predictable?)

I'm guessing it's probably Chaoji. XD He hasn't really done anything important, and he recently "awakened" as an Exorcist.

I have a sudden thought: What if the user of the Heart is not an Exorcist?

The Heart is a special type of Innocence, yes. What if the person needed to use it is NOT an Exorcist by default? I feel that the Heart cannot be used as a "normal" Innocence, i.e. as a weapon against the Akuma. Now that the Earl has revealed that the Akuma are more than killing machines, perhaps the Heart doesn't kill them but turn them into humans? (or something which the Earl doesn't want to see.)

That's an interesting thought =3. It also works for my Miranda theory, since hers can't kill Akuma.

I just don't want it to be Komui. It would kinda take away from his character in a way, I think. I love him the way he is, and I don't think being the Heart is what he needs to shine as a character.

Though, one thing supporting the Komui theory is that the Level 4 decided to target him. It said its reason was that he's an important member of the Black Order, but it's possible that it sensed Innocence on him.

This might just be because I have gone insane waiting for Kanda's backstory, but I think there could be some reason for Kanda to be heart.

First, his currently still non-existent backstory. Heck, even Lavi has more history to him than Kanda, who's like the last major character to have any of his history revealed to us. The only thing we know about Kanda is he has a tattoo over his heart that's connected to his hourglass lotus that's connected to his lifespan, and he has to find "that person" before he can die. There's still much to speculate about Kanda, and so a likelyhood that he might be the Heart.

Also, if we take the Earl's words to mean that the Heart recently awakened, well, not too long ago, Kanda's tattoo evolved/changed. Considering that Mugen draws on Kanda's lifeforce with the Third Illusion, and the tattoo is connected to his lifeforce...? Okay, maybe I'm confusing myself here.

But this leads me to wonder if the Heart Innocence has to be all that "good". In the sense that while the word "heart" seems to symbolise love, compassion, protection etc... We have come across instances were the Innocence acts on its own, such as Allen's case (killing Mana), Krory's case (when he was still thought to be a vampire) and you could even say Suman's case (turned into a Togaochi), and they aren't always for the good of the Exorcist. Innocence isn't all that "innocent". While all the examples have been parasite types so far, the Heart Innocence, being special, might not even need to be a parasite type to... exert influene over the exorcist controlling it.

Turning this back to Kanda, the fact that Mugen is able to draw on Kanda's lifeforce to gain more power seems to suggest even stronger that the Innocence will do whatever it takes to defeat Akuma/Noah or to survive. Kanda, with his "I cannot die until I find 'that person'." attitude, can make a prime choice for the Heart to choose, because his will to win and to survive is just that great. I don't think it's been explicitly said that if an exorcist dies, his Innocence will be destroyed too. In Suman's case, while he was dead, Tyki still had to crush his Innocence before it was gone. So even if Mugen is the Heart, while the collapsing Ark might've killed Kanda or something to that effect, it doesn't mean that the Heart will be destroyed and render the other's Innocence to be useless. Hence, the possiblity that Mugen can be the Heart.

Like what some people have said for Lavi, Kanda might not have discovered all of Mugen's capabilities yet. Mugen = Six Illusions, suggesting that there might be 3 more illusions for Kanda to learn. Also, Mugen is kind of a play on "Infinity" if written in different kanji. The Heart is supposed to survive til the end for the best possible scenario, so could the word-play be a hint? On another note, if the Heart also symbolises protection, sometimes, sacrifices have to be made in order to be able to protect someone, and hence the drawing of Kanda's life to increase his abilities might be one way of suggesting that Kanda could be the Heart.

Now, that was long, but hopefully somewhat logical. ^^" Truthfully, as long as it's not Allen who's the Heart but any other exorcist, I can live with it. Having Allen as the heart screams over-overkill.

Personally, I think that no one person holds the Heart. I think that each of the four central Exorcists -- Lavi, Kanda, Allen and Lenalee -- holds a piece of it, and *together*, they make up the Heart. We've seen all of their Innocences do extraordinary things, so it's logical that none of them holds an ordinary Innocence.

I totally agree. All of them somehow always manage to get a 'power up' at that difficult time in their fight. You know, the 'I'm dying and I don't want to leave my friends for dead, I must protect them' thing.

And what about Timcanpy. Cross possibly found the heart, lodged it in Timcanpy's throat, then, in an absolutely amusing and Cross-like twist, gave Tim to Allen (mostly for Tim to keep an eye on Allen), all the while keeping everyone in the dark. Totally something he would do.

And don't forget about Rhode and Tyki. They have an unnatural obsession with Allen. What if they had it, or part of it, and never realized that THAT was what drew them to Allen. They had part, Allen had part, hell, all main chars had part.

Then there's Fou. Sure, she's technically not alive, but she's been around for ages, and could have stashed it in her giant computer-thingummy.

Could be even worse. Rouvelier or Link could totally have, but not knowledgable about it. Wouldn't he just kick his own ass sfter putting everyone else through all that trauma.

Anyway, that's my thoughts...

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